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[-] knightly@pawb.social 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The reason that this sounds like a bigoted solution is that there aren't enough trans athletes in the country for a league of our own to have actual competition, and just doing the awards separately obviously isn't enough since the bigots are still complaining that we are allowed to participate in sports at all.

Equality will always feel like oppression to those who benefit from inequality, and there's no liberal workaround solution to the objections from the haters because their claims about "fairness in sports" are insincere. If the point of the divide between genders is to make space for women in sports, then excluding some women because of personal characteristics out of their control is unfair. And if the argument is about some (real or imagined) performance difference between cis and trans athletes, then the fair thing would be to set up ranked leagues so that everyone can compete with people near their own level of ability.

Sports are about friendly competition, healthy opportunities to better ourselves by testing our bodies and our skills against our peers. The right thing to do here is pretty obvious, the problem is that there are people who don't want to accept trans folks as a valid part of society and we won't be fixing that by fiddling in the margins of sports rulebooks.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fair points, but the reason why I'm in this discussion to begin with, is that I'm trying to be a better ally and the right thing to do is not obvious to me, sorry.

I guess my trouble stems from whether sports should focus on gender equity or equality, not about whether trans people should be able to participate or not (I firmly believe they should).

I accept trans folks and they belong in society and sports just like any other person. However, simply ignoring a wedge issue pushed by TERFs without ideas on making things not just equal but equitable to all genders, doesn't seem tenable to me either.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No need to apologize, you're trying to learn and that's already miles better than a lot of folks.

I think the core issue of fairness is actually sort of irrelevant since the answer is both obvious and politically intractable. The actual issue is access to professional sports and whether pro sports teams/venues believe that having trans people on the field will affect their profits, because they are the ones with the power to shift or preserve the status quo.

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