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Tankies delusional-posting are quite funny
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It's very interesting that those who screamed that we had to choose the lesser of two evils in 2020, thereby admitting to the evil of the Democrats, immediately shut up about this evil as soon as Biden took office. Now that the greater evil has taken power, you never talk about actually fighting it, you just spend your time bashing people with a conscience.
Citation needed.
Every single person I know who reluctantly voted for Biden spent the next 4 years complaining constantly. Online forums were full of liberals calling Biden "basically a Republican". Plenty of news stories covered how more progressive Democrats felt Biden wasn't doing enough.
That's the opposite of what I saw. I'm not saying that you are wrong, just that I saw differently. I saw Democrats spend most of their time saying that it's not OK to attack the current Democratic president. I wonder how much of that difference is based on the circles we run in, or the news sites that we visit.
Makes sense.
For a reference point: I'm a millennial, living in a pretty liberal state of the US. Reading the front page of Reddit (not logged in, running ad-blockers so I think I get a "generic" experience), Ars Technica, occasional HackerNews threads, Something Awful forums. My friend circles are unanimous that Israel is an apartheid state, Russia is an invader, immigrants are not any kind of problem. It includes a few trans people who are vocal about their experiences. I would not call it a radically progressive group. For example, I don't think most of them would actually be comfortable with mass-executions of wealthy people.
Before joining Lemmy, I'd never encountered "tankies" in enough quantity for them to have any kind of label or for anyone to self-identify as "anti-tankie". It's still a weird idea to me.
We did fight it, and won, in 2020. In 2024 a few people stopped fighting, so we lost. And now the people who were complaining about Biden being evil are being deported for speaking their mind.
This reply is a perfect example of the disconnect between liberals and leftists. The democrats did not meaningfully fight fascism in 2020-2024! As I've said elsewhere, fighting fascism effectively would have entailed hanging Trump after J6. Instead they allowed Trump to get away with a coup attempt. This allowed the fascists to iteratively test coup strategies, and they might have found the correct one this time around.
And how would that happen? After all, the Supreme Court gave him immunity, and all Democrats controlled was the presidency. So you're saying Joe Biden should've told the Supreme Court and every other court to suck it, and used I assume the military to arrest and execute Trump while skipping due process?
I don't think that's fighting fascism. That's implementing it.
What needed to happen was for Trump to not win a second time. Had he died at home peacefully we wouldn't be in the shit right now, and we wouldn't have even needed to do the fascism ourselves to stop it. People just needed to fucking stop the fascist from winning the election.
Uhhh antifascists drag him out of whatever hole he tries to hide in and hang him from a lamppost? The Mussolini Special, if you will.
Aside from other considerations, you don't want to turn Trump into a martyr—maybe in February 2017 they should have made Mar-a-lago a prison where Trump could/can only communicate with the outside world by writing or silent videos.
Had Biden resigned into an honorable retirement between, say, Feb 2022 to Feb 2024, Harris probably would have won in 2024; but power corrupts, or reveals, or something. When Mussolini died, he was only 61 years old.
The ones not being deported are attempting to on top their high horse and act like them not voting was somehow better than the alternative.
Don't know what the fuck you're on about but that's hogwash. No self aware individual on the left doesn't hate their own party's faults, at least in the US. The same simply can't be said for the other side.
The Democratic party is not a leftist party. It's a center-right liberal party. The point of my post was that "self aware" Democrat voters pay lip service to acknowledge the evil of the Democratic party, but then do absolutely nothing to challenge it when the Democrats are in power.
You didn't say anything wrong but the takeaway is really vague and open ended. What do you propose they do?
The US doesn’t have a left
They have a far right and a less far right
Says the person who never has done evil ever. /s
My friend, I don't know how you are still alive. The only action these days that doesn't involve some kind of negative consequence is breathing air.
For the rest of us who actually do stuff, so you can whine at us from your computer, we make compromises all the time. That is life.
I'm an anarchist with years of on the ground organizing experience. I have friends in prison. I've had friends killed by the police. Shut the fuck up you liberal piece of shit.
All that hard work and compromise and yet, you can't bring yourself to get your hands a little dirty by voting for the lesser evil. You are accelerating the rate at witch your friends die by police. For what reason?
Whether or not someone takes 15 minutes out of their life to vote every 2 years is quite literally the least important facet of their political activity. It effects exactly nothing. All your supposed concern over fascism, and you can't bring yourself to get your hands a little dirty by torching an ICE van or stealing some clothes and giving them to homeless people. For what reason?
People should do both. I'm glad you are fighting back - remember that the government you fight against is shaped by the people voted for.
I've also been in prison, and I share your frustration with people who pull the wool over their eyes and play "House" in this hellscape. But taking "15 minutes out of their life" to ensure the figurehead at least pretends to care about the will of the people is Absolutely relevant, even when we are in a war. Biden was shit, and Kamala wouldn't fix this, but Trump has a secret police force and has been playing with the idea of martial law. That's going to have an impact on the "torching an ICE van" crowd.
Political change will require breaking the law, but if you're not willing to push on the legal front of political change, you're just a terrorist (if not a saboteur).
You can both vote and organize. Why vote? The more fascist the government is the harder it is to organize. For only 15 minutes every 2 years, it's actually a pretty powerful tool. It may not move things left but it slows down the fascism.