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Yeah dude, we know what the word means.
Literally the next sentence from your source:
Emphasis mine.
Yes is the article written in present day, but I'm saying they called themselves socialists not that they aren't right. Nazi politics are not easily put on the left-right spectrum. Which is why I say conservatism and nationalism is usually right
Socialists (and trade unionists and yes, communists) were among the first groups the Nazis targeted.
Hitler hated that term but the party was already formed. Put the emphasis on the National part of national socialism.
Socialism was also popular at the time and they were using that to increase their appeal.
They hated socialists and beat them up in the streets.
Yep. Hitler also hated Christianity IIRC, but allied with the church for their financial aid and the support of religious voters. They definitely weren't above using the name of something that they hated and actively attacked to allow them to grab more power, and it makes them neither socialist nor Christian to have done so.
Seriously? They didn't start street brawls with the church and kill them. They did that with socialists. There was no teaming up, there was no alliance, there was no marketing trick. You're making up revisionist history and you seriously need to learn what happened and stop spreading misinformation.
What the fuck are you on about? I never said that they started street brawls with the church. I agreed with you about them hating and attacking socialists, added that they only kept the name for the party because of the recognition factor/popularity of socialist policy at that time in Germany, and then said that if I remember correctly, Hitler made agreements with the church for funding and support despite his personal feelings on the matter. Nowhere did I say the Nazis beat up Christians or members of the Church.
Seriously? What the fuck are on about. I said they didn't start street brawls with the church. Me. I said that. Ok? Me. Myself. Not you. Me. Got it? Me. Nor did I say or suggest that you said they started street brawls with the church.
You were talking about an alliance with the church, you said that. You. Ok? You. You said that AFTER talking about the Nazis trying to market to socialists, as in: You are trying to make a parallel between an alliance with the church and marketing/aligning/something with the socialists, on a similar line as they did with the Church.
AND I am the one say NO, they didn't. I am the on saying the following: The Nazis didn't start street brawls with the church. Notice that I am the one saying that. Me. Myself. Not you. Me. And I am the one saying: The Nazis DID start street brawls with the Socialists. And killed socialists. Because the hated socialists. This was WIDELY known, because it was literally in the streets with roving, essentially, gangs. They are not marketing to socialists, they are literally killing them openly, happy about it, and shouting it from the rooftops for everyone to hear.
See the difference in how they treated the Church and how they treated the socialists? Said by me. Myself. Me. I said those two statements to contrast how they treated each of those groups differently. Ok? Me. I said that. Alliance with one, and killing the other. See how they treated each group? So your talk of alliances with the church to draw a parallel (yes) to marketing/aligning/something with the socialists is wrong, revisionist history, and frankly absurd.
I'm bowing out of this conversation, I'm getting dumber with each reply to you. You seriously need to stop with revisionist history, this is right wing BS misinformation that you fell for.
Which wing of parliament did the NSDAP sit on, the right or the left?
If we're gonna play bullshit word games, at least sitting on the right is relevant to the original definition of right wing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/29/greenes-ahistorical-claim-that-nazis-were-socialists/
They called themselves socialists, the word changed meaning over time so you might argue they wouldn't be considered socialists right now, but they sure as hell were considered socialists then. From the same source:
The word socialist very much had a very well established meaning at that point (definitely more established than it currently is in the US).
Everything you're saying is ahistorical. Why aren't you at all interested in the reality of what happened?
It's not that the meaning of "socialist" changed but that the Nazis were never actually socialist despite their deliberately misleading name, and Hitler had anyone in the party with any socialist tendencies killed off. You seem not to be hearing what everyone in the thread is trying to say to you. The Nazis were straightforwardly fascist, far right, and never anything to do with socialism or the left.
This is a fascinating conversation to follow. The Nazi's absolutely were not left nor socialist, but there might be a history class difference. American hatred of socialism is soo deep and history textbooks are so useless (since most are made in Texas and cater to those politics) I remember a HUGE emphasis on Nazi being National Socialist and another example of why socialism never worked. It starts early here man. I think we're seeing a lot of the effects these days.
Wow, I have come across this inaccurate talking point from right-wingers on many occasions, but I never realized that Americans were being taught these lies in school. Well, we are really seeing the effects of all this propaganda now the fascists are in power.
It is especially bad in the deep-red states. The Tulsa race riots are still often lied about in Oklahoma depending on the school. Basically they said, "it worked on Native American history, so just do that for everything we don't agree with."
Right, the Nazis were socialist in the same way North Korea is democratic.
They appropriated the term "socialist" as a marketing mechanism.