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Where is the “I won’t support Genocide Joe” crowd now?
Eating popcorn. Where are the dems who will fight for their constituents now? Looks like they just nearly unanimously passed a law that will let the administration take down any web content the want, not just revenge porn or deepfakes like they claimed.
So thats the end of free speech. Trump said outright he'd use it to censor his oponents. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/congress-passes-take-it-down-act-despite-major-flaws Did the dems just not have time for ammendments?
So was all this trumpery worth it all so the DNC could continue to take AIPAC money?
Or the Laken Riley act passed with dem support.
https://rollcall.com/2025/01/20/democrats-senate-laken-riley-act/ We're deporting anyone now, with democratic party support. They are even trying to use it on citizens. Heck of a job, DNC.
Or when the dems voted to advance trumps budget-- about the only card they had in their hand right now, and they just didnt use it. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-voted-trump-gop-spending-bill-2045209
And now you want to what, fingerwag like you have a leg to stand on here? I mean come on man. Show me proof beyond Booker sitting on the steps in theatrical protest that the dems are working some angle thats not just secret support of anything the republicans want?
I guess at least Schumer, who says his whole job is to keep the dems supporting Israel, sent a "very strong letter" to trump. So we have that going for us. https://www.yahoo.com/news/pathetic-critics-cringe-leading-dem-191116497.html
Yay Schumer, way to go.
This is it. Why the fuck is the blame on the people who didn’t vote for a terrible candidate supporting a genocide and not the fucking people supporting the genocide?! Why did the dems all support that censorship bill, when they were initially speaking up about it? Why does it seem like the more exhausted he populace got with trump and his shit, he more democrats seemed to use that as an excuse to start supporting the republicans? Where is all the “stop trump” and “stop fascism” dems now? Why does it seem like they’re done grandstanding about standing up to trump and seem to have rolled over to keep their jobs or whatever it is? Why does this seem all okay, and why is the blame for all of that on people who couldn’t stomach supporting a candidate that was not standing up to a genocide and was parading around the fucking worst of the neocons? Why is it always on the people who didn’t sacrifice their values to once again stomach a candidate that goes against their basic human morals, and not on the politicians continually moving to the right? Why blame the people who see the rightward march of the Democratic Party as a death knell for the country, and not on the people who are fucking marching right as fast as the fascists continue to radicalize? Why the fuck can these assholes not see that we don’t give a shit that you think you’re morally superior to us because you “voted against fascism,” when the party you voted for seems to be actively ushering fascism in through the door?
Where is the fucking class solidarity? These people are selling you out, and you turn to your neighbor to say, “well, you should’ve just voted differently.” We are well beyond this being on us. This is on the people driving the ship, not the ones stuck in the cargo hold screaming that we’re fucking sinking.
I voted for Harris, and voted for Biden before that, and Clinton before that. With shame as I should. Harm reduction, methadone instead of heroin.
It's nothing to brag about. You guys try to make them sound like a good choice, when neoliberals are for the same status quo, only minus the scapegoating. They're just a lesser degree of bad. They're for mass homelessness, they're for entire murder for profit economic sectors including American "Healthcare," they're for ever worsening income inequity, because on economic policy (that informs and often dictates social Ills) they're on the same take as Republicans. Just because they don't cheer and pour the blood they're drenched in over their heads in celebration like Gatorade, doesn't mean their hands are any cleaner.
That scapegoating makes Republicans worth voting against, but you're praising Jack the Ripper in the face of Adolf Hitler. No American should feel anything but shame about only having a extreme right wing party and a fascist party as our only two options. No one should have left an American polling place with a smile or pride for the last half century, it's been a rocketship to avarice diseased oblivion, that Trumpism is just a newer symptom of, not the cause.
Reagan toppled this empire, it just takes an empire a while to hit the ground. We have arrived at a while. Trump is more of a vulture come to feast on the corpse.
I voted for Harris.
But can you explain exactly how things would have gone differently in Gaza other than the rhetoric if Harris had won? She was all in on the genocide just like Biden, Pelosi, Schiff, etc.
Just because Harris was clearly the better choice overall doesn't mean she (and Biden) wasn't and isn't dead wrong about their fealty to Netanyahu.
Right here :)
I voted for Kamala tho
Not supporting Genocide Donald.
You say this like Biden was bringing an end to the Genocide.
Trump partaking in Genocide doesn't mean Biden didn't. It was just publicly revealed that Biden never demanded a ceasefire (as if we didn't know that already), Biden sent weapons to Israel to use in their genocidal campaign, Biden sent warships to ward off and defend against any attacks against Israel for their genocidal campaign. Trump doing the same doesn't mean Biden didn't do those things.
You so smugly using Trump's continuation of the genocide as a form of "gotcha" (again, as if we didn't know he would do that) is truly just absolutely morally gross and despicabe.
You deserve Trump.
Surely thrilled that they were able to punish Democrats
Probably discussing the latest news about how Biden never pressured Israel for ceasefire
It was just another lie to give political cover as he aided and abetted an ongoing genocide.
Well, at least Joe is out of power, now. Phew! Crisis averted.
No, Gaza is still being bombed. Children are being intentionally starved. It's still a crisis.
If you can’t stand up against actively supporting an open genocide, you aren’t going to stand up for democracy.
America has been cooked. And yes, Biden is/was complacent
They all realize they were part of a targeted disinformation campaign and regret their life choices.
Tbf though, Kamala could have gotten 4% of inactive voters in 3 key states she could have won. Instead those voters stayed home and now we've got front row seats to the end of an empire
It's not disinformation that Joe Biden enabled and aided the Genocide of Palestinians. Trump doing the same doesn't rewrite history.
Kamala could have gotten all those voters if she just took a stand against genocide.
I think the thinking was that turning against Israel more publicly would have mostly garnered more entirely worthless votes in states that are already blue and risked losing at risk rust belt states.
If those voters would have been a bit smarter they could have threatened to stay home but actually voted against fascism then continued to petition the incoming regime which unlike Trump isn't actually for genocide. Now there is a good chance for most of those folks you want to save being dead when its possible to reverse course IF its possible to reverse course and we don't have a canceled election and a civil war thereafter.
And they lost with that strategy. So their thinking was clearly wrong, unless they planned to lose.
They were actually for genocide. That's why they partook in an ongoing genocide for over a year. Your entire premise is wrong.
That's just not true though. It would have helped across the board but especially in critical swing states
Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win
Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo
The blame is entirely on the campaign for chosing to ignore and even go against those voters instead of make concessions to gain as much votes as possible. They chose to prioritize continuing the genocide over winning against Trump.
Polls have been close not only wildly inaccurate but so incredibly spread out that you could find a few to support literally anyone position after the fact.
That's why it's important to consider how the questions are framed, not disregard polling. And no, the polling methodology used is not wildly inaccurate, what a baseless claim to try to disregard the actual articles.
Progressive policies that a majority of Americans support
Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win
Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo
Democrats' Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are 'Why Trump Beat Harris'
2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris
How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World
Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college
Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones
Here Are 7 ‘Left Wing’ Ideas (Almost) All Americans Can Get Behind
Finding common ground: 109 national policy proposals with bipartisan support
Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies
Tim Walz's Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States
It is very very hard to predict who is going to win even when elections that aren't all that close. Asking people how they would behave especially people who didn't even bother to vote is fraught. People who aren't happy about something are apt to say they would do something about it but they showed more about how motivated they are by not even bothering to show up in actual reality. I think anyone who tells you if you did this they would have voted for you is quite frankly full of shit.
White people voted for Trump because they believed they would be privileged. Men voted for him because they believed they would be privileged. Conservatives voted for him because he would appoint conservative judges Financially ignorant people voted for him because he would cut their taxes and encourage business. Republican's voted for him because him being a Republican was far more important than any other factor. Most people who call themselves independent flatter themselves by saying so and in fact vote Red or Blue 95-99% of the time. Those who lean red were never going to vote for a non-white women running under the blue ticket.
None of these factors had anything to do with Israel or Gaza. People in America are selfish and self centered they were never going to vote differently based on Gaza.
Way to ignore both articles that show just how much more support Harris would have gotten by standing by an arms embargo, which is both the popular and morally correct position to have.
Yeah, people in America are selfish. That doesn't change the reality that they recognize those progressive policies are to their own benefit. If you ignore the material conditions of America and have no material analysis of the situation, it's not possible to recognize the root cause of voter apathy and populism, let alone the differences between left populism and right populism
People saying that support when you present them with a moral issue isn't the same thing as them actually turning up to vote. People have all sorts of opinions about what they ought to do and if you ask them if they intend to exercise, floss their teeth, and support the little chidrens in Africa. This doesn't mean they will be doing ANYTHING of note given a chance.
Track actual attendance at gym, check their teeth, and ask for receipts for their donations to feed the starving kids. You'll find that most of them fell short.
I don't care about your opinions. You have nothing to refute the actual articles, you just want to be right regardless of the significant amount of evidence that show you're wrong about public support for a weapons embargo to stop a fucking genocide
I hope your terrorist leaders harris, biden and trump all die lioe fucking pigs.
Gone.
Their man, Trump, got elected, so they don't need to exist anymore.