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[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 100 points 2 months ago

Doubling down on losing. The DNC WANTS Trump in power

[-] UsernameHere@lemy.lol 16 points 2 months ago

Not enough leftists voted for Harris.

A lot of republicans are going to vote “not Trump” because of the damage Trump is doing now. Those votes will be easier to earn than progressive votes.

When leftists don’t show up to vote, the government shifts right.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024 by chasing Republicans who they thought would vote, "not Trump." They won in 2020 by offering a progressive economic vision. There is no evidence to support the idea that Republican voters will be easier to earn.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 24 points 2 months ago

Trust me guys, this time the Republicans will finally be done with Trump!

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

"C'mon guys, just a little further to the right and we'll start winning! Ignore the last four times we lost by doing this and remember the one time it worked in 1992!"

[-] UsernameHere@lemy.lol 2 points 2 months ago

Democrats won the majority of elections since the 90s.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And only one candidate (Clinton) won by going to the right. Obama ran as a progressive (and governed as a centrist-technocrat) while Biden ran on a progressive platform (which he couldn't get passed because of Manchin and Sinema).

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

while Biden ran on a progressive platform (which he couldn’t get passed because of Manchin and Sinema).

Well, and because it was a pack of lies from the start.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I will give him credit for trying fairly hard to get his agenda through, especially in the first 2 years. He kept trying to find ways to get student loans forgiven without Congress, even when the courts repeatedly blocked him, and he did try to get some parts of Build Back Better that got cut in 2021 into the Inflation Reduction Act. He certainly tried harder than Obama to deliver on his platform.

He then abandoned the populous economic platform in 2024 and tried to pretend that letting most of his agenda get blocked by his own party was a huge accomplishment. He also tried to get to Trump's right on immigration, materially supported a genocide, and refused to step down despite clear cognitive issues, so all-in-all, 2024 was a bad campaign.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

He then abandoned the populous economic platform in 2024 and tried to pretend that letting most of his agenda get blocked by his own party was a huge accomplishment. He also tried to get to Trump’s right on immigration, materially supported a genocide, and refused to step down despite clear cognitive issues, so all-in-all, 2024 was a bad campaign.

Not as far as centrists are concerned. They got everything they wanted. They got their genocide. They got to betray immigrants and trans people, they got to have a presidential election without a primary, they're still getting their genocide, they're still getting republican immigration policy, and they're still getting anti-trans hate. Plus, they get to blame the left they spent the entire campaign alienating and saying they didn't need.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

and 10 other DINOS, machin and sinema were just the lightning rod for critcisim, for the ones that are afraid of getting primaried.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I once read a tweet that was something to the effect of, "The number of Democrats needed to pass meaningful legislation is always (N-1), where N=The Current Number of Democrats in Congress." I think about that a lot.

[-] UsernameHere@lemy.lol 2 points 2 months ago

Obama won because he appealed to centrists

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

He ran on a public healthcare option, bailing out homeowners, regulating banks, closing Gitmo, ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Saying he appealed to centrists is revisionist nonsense.

[-] UsernameHere@lemy.lol 2 points 2 months ago

Those are liberal policies not leftist. Saying Obama was a leftist is revisionist nonsense.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Obama won by running to Clinton's left.

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

centrists have a 27% approval rating for a reason.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And the leftists never show up. You'd be an absolute fool to rely on them to show up.

[-] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Progressives have an extremely high turnout rate, what a bunch of bullshit. You just like blaming us because then you don't have to face the fact that the DNC leaders that you liars enable are fucking morons.

Every time you lose it's magically the progressives' fault. And you fall for it every single time. You can't even turn out your own so-called "moderate" base, but you'll never try to find out why. So much easier to play politics instead.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

republicans didn't show up to vote for you either. But you want to kiss their asses even harder. I'm starting to think you just like the taste.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Reported for trying to start a slapfight snd moving on.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

You don't have to announce what you do every time you disagree with someone.

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

If they dont show up and you dont need their votes, why did Harris lose.

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