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[-] gamer@lemm.ee 63 points 4 days ago

New world order: Putin dies, successor adopts democracy and joins NATO, Trump leaves NATO and goes full authoritarian, US becomes new dictatorship while Russia becomes new leader of the free world.

[-] rammer@sopuli.xyz 26 points 4 days ago

Even if Putin's successor adopts real democracy, it will take generations to change the national psyche that thinks they need a strong leader. As much as the west hates Putin, he does have real support among the people. At least as long as he remains strong.

[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Most importantly, it takes rewriting their school books.. The Russian school books on mathematics and on Russian language rant about Russian supremacy.

🤣

I mean, the US and Germany essentially reversed roles.

Also China and Japan.

Wtf is this simulation, so fucking bizzare and absurd.

[-] dawnglider@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

This comment actually broke my brain, please tell me this is bait 😭

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Russia has tried joining NATO before, NATO wasn't really interested. It's one of the main reasons Russia is convinced NATO is inherently hostile to Russia.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

That is absolutely not why Russia dislikes NATO, it's because NATO was built to defend against russia (CCCP/URSS which was led by russia).

That's also why the anti-bully club rejected the bully

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Well, yes, NATO was built to oppose Russia, that's why they refused Russia membership, and why Russia considers NATO inherently a threat. And why "Russia joins NATO" is a non-starter, Pution or no Putin.

[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Defending from something doesn't really mean opposing something in this sense.

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago
[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

I've got autocorrect switched off, but these kinds of corrections have lately started happening.

Anyway, corrected "need" to "mean".

[-] Aqarius@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Does it? If you're defending, it's presumably from an attack, which you are thereby opposing.

I mean, imagine if Russia and the US announce tomorrow that they formed a military alliance - it's just defensive, don't worry about it. Also, UKIP, AFD, and FN won, and the UK, Germany, and France are joining, too. No, the rest of NATO can't join, but it's just defensive, don't worry about it. Also, Taiwan can't join, but China might. Don't worry about it.

I get that exclusion doesn't necessarily have to mean hostility, but I don't think it's a stretch to see a power block forming that deliberately excludes you and be concerned. Now, I could think of a few ways of dealing with that concern that don't involve, yknow, going to war, but I'm not the guy running things.

[-] drhodl@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Russia's behaviour whilst holding a veto in the UN Security Council pretty much proves to NATO that Russia would only be an obstacle, and no asset at all. Fuck Russia! With a giant cactus. No lube!

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