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Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.

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[-] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 160 points 3 days ago

Nope. This is on Biden. It's his fault Harris/Walz were put into an impossible situation.

That senile old fuck was supposed to be a one-term president. If they'd spent 4 years planning for 2024 instead of sitting around with their thumbs up their asses maybe they could have run a winning campaign.

But no, Joe was too proud or stupid or both to stick to that plan. This election was lost the instant he doddered his way on to the debate stage on 6/27/24.

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 88 points 3 days ago

It's on Biden and Garland for not throwing Trump in prison the second his term ended.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 65 points 3 days ago

Exactly, and it's the third time we've been betrayed like this.

Not going after the Bush administration.

Not going after the subprime mortgage architects.

Not going after Trump.

Three times, they've had the easiest of layups for public approval of all time and they've consistently fucked it up.

[-] stroz@infosec.pub 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'd like to add:

Not going after the Confederate states

to this list

[-] CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Wouldn't that have been the Republicans at the time?

[-] NotLemming@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago

It's not really a fuck up when they did it deliberately. Their priorities are in the wrong place because it's an oligarchy.

[-] bishbosh@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago

Seeing liberal's repeatedly stumble in stopping anyone to the right, but having the fangs come out the moment they need to protect themselves from the left really shows that it's not failure, it's refusal.

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[-] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Amen. 4 years to build a case? January 6th, spend 6-12 months and file charges. What the fuck were they doing for 4 years?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Running out the clock.

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

To hell with his January 6th temper tantrum, he should be in the fucking Hague for his handling of Covid.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 points 3 days ago

Or at least the second the supreme court said whatever the president does is legal as long as it's an "official act".

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

The Oligarchy will never convict one of their own. For four years, I said it was the dog and pony show. And in the end, nothing will happen to Trump. Here we are.

[-] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago

Lots and lots of balls were dropped. Garland didn't get Trump in jail when he could have. Biden didn't stick to only one term. A democratic candidate wasn't really elected when Biden stepped down (for the record, I think that Harris was more than qualified, but a lot of people were upset that she was just "chosen"). Harris didn't try to stand out and be her own candidate - she mostly just stuck with the status quo and never disagreed with Biden. Etc etc etc.

[-] ExistentialKiwi@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Warning bells started going off in my head the moment that the Democrats announced that Harris was going to be the candidate after Biden dropped out, not because I thought she was an unqualified candidate but because there was no time taken to search for other candidates. Maybe it was too close to the election to take the time to go through the rigamarole of all that but I think even a cursory effort to do so would have gone a long way towards making it feel like people's opinions actually mattered. Biden dropping out was huge (at least to me) because it felt like an acknowledgement of the voters who had consistently felt like they were held hostage for their votes because the alternative was a fascist.

It doesn't help either that they went on to repeatedly shoot themselves in the feet while chasing moderate Republican votes, getting other prominent Democrats to chastise certain classes of voters and breeding the same voter apathy that hurt them in 2016, and their refusal to acknowledge that what's happening in Gaza is a genocide that we shouldn't help Israel perpetrate.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Yeah, the moment I knew we were in trouble was when they publicized that video of Obama lecturing down to some black men about not supporting Harris enough. Whoever thought staging that was a good idea needs to retire from politics forever and go find a field to stand in.

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[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

It's also the campaign money, only goes to Harris, and not anyone else. They are legally required to return all that fundraising to the donors if they use a different candidate

[-] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

On your last point, I don't think Dems could've done anything different. They're clearly in Israel pockets and they can't disobey their corporate overlords and run on a more progressive agenda. Only other option was to try hard to get the "centrists". Incredibly disappointing as they would rather lose and go hard fascist rather than let their donors lose any money (how's that stock market looking?).

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[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

Garland never had any intention to prosecute trump

[-] NotLemming@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

Putting trump in jail would've made America look bad. Oh, the irony.

[-] Kalon@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago

A cascade of failures. Beyond Joe not man enough GTFO, the DNC once again anointed a letter instead of letting the public decide. yes, Joe should never have run for a second term. Given that he did, he should have dropped out sooner. Given that he didn't, the DNC should have had an open convention rather than putting their thumbs on the scale in back room deals.

Tim is 100% right that we would not be in this mess if they had won, but when is the DNC going to stop trying to manipulate everything and lie to us about it? They are to blame as much as Repugnacans.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 2 days ago

Because they and R are same team. I bet it's like lawyers who viciously go after each other in court, them have golf and martinis on weekends.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Harris made choices. She could have chosen not to adopt every single one of Bidens policies. What was biden going to do, fire her? If you look back at her presidential run she really struggled to articulate any policies back then too.

[-] djsoren19 4 points 2 days ago

What was biden going to do, fire her

If the reports are true, yes that seems to be the case. I'm not really sure what would have happened, but she was absolutely threatened into defending Biden's legacy.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

The president cannot fire the vice president.
The best a president can do is lock the VP out of meetings. Bidens approval ratings were so low, being locked out of meetings would have cost her nothing. So exactly what reports are you quoting here, lets see them. I think you made that up.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

Bidens approval ratings were so low, being locked out of meetings would have cost her nothing.

Hell, if that happened and we assumed that anti-establishment sentiment is what got trump elected, maybe she could've capitalized on that to win the election as a "new" type of politician, one willing to go against the Democrat establishment whom literally everybody hates and dig up the potential dem voters who haven't had hope for change since Obama. Of course, this is Kamala Harris we're talking about, probably one of the last politicians that I'd expect to pull a move like that.

[-] Xanza@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago

Biden made an appropriate decision to back out. He should have done it much sooner. But I'm not sure I would characterize the failings of Harris/Walz as Biden's fault. I don't really feel that's fair.

Harris' main draw was that she didn't want to do anything, which pissed off progressives. She was pro-establishment and pro-status quo. She didn't need Biden's help to not get votes... I have no love for Biden, but the truth is the truth.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

But I’m not sure I would characterize the failings of Harris/Walz as Biden’s fault.

Inasmuch as they ran as a continuation of his policy, I'd say there's some blame to be had.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 3 days ago

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump.

Biden shares a lot of the responsibility, but Harris and Walz were running on fundamentally faulty assumptions.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

This is on anyone who was within arms reach of Trump in the last decade and didn't take matters into their own hands.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah a bunch of people want to make excuses for 90 million people who just... Didn't think it was important who won.

Campaign was flawed but if people showed up to vote against fascism we wouldn't be here. And there's zero excuse for all 90 million of them to not show up.

Edit- well, Im reading your post in a different light but, yes that too.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

If you didn't notice, Democrats were aligning with fascism.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Funny, I noticed they were the only ones running campaigns with a legitimate change of winning against the fascists.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Talking about winning against fascism and actually doing something or not the same thing, they talk a big game and then end up capitulating to Republicans.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Winning elections is the only way to keep power from the hands of fascists that doesn't involve extralegal actions.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Which fascist is gonna keep fascism out of power, the blue one or the red one?

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

You need to look up the definition of fascism if you think both parties are fascist.

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 1 points 22 hours ago

You need to take off your blinders and see that they are fascist.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

No, they aren't. That is objectively false. Fascism is inherently a far right philosophy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[-] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Implying liberals are left wing? They occupy the same space Republicans did before MAGA

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