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Democrats Must Become the Workers’ Party Again
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No shit. Now convince the democratic party leadership that winning elections is more important that kissing donor ass.
Their goal is never to win elections. Their only goal is to prevent leftist movements and organization from gaining positions of power. To defend these status quo.
Wouldn't be surprised if you are in a situation where it needs to get worse before it can get better. Vote 3rd party so heavily that it kills one of the major parties. All the people that didn't turn up vote for someone else?
Yes they will gladly surrender to fascists to prevent socialists from getting a voice. This is the core issue
Why are you using the future tense?
The best way is to bring single payer health care.
Every other G7 nation has it
Now convince the democratic party leadership that serving their constituents is more important that kissing donor ass.
Convince them of that, and the winning elections thing will solve itself.
The problem is "kissing donor ass" is a euphemism for serving themselves.
lol no it won’t. If I’m a Republican candidate, I can literally just say some culture war bullshit and still beat you in an election. Especially if you’re a woman or a minority.
The problem is they see large donors as the only path to victory as campaigns are expensive
The problem is that they see donations as the end goal and no longer give a shit if they lose.
They don't have to be. Present the people with policies that they want and the public will do all the work themselves.
The problem is getting the word out is expensive. Advertisement buys aren’t cheap.
They do get the word out. The problem is that we don't believe them.
A motivated voter seriously engaging with their social network is worth a lot more than an ad buy. The whole ad world is trying to smuggle their advertising as the genuine thoughts of a real person and politics is acting like it's still the age of Must See TV.
True but is there any indication of that currently working on the same level in terms of the return on the ad buy that a TV ad can produce? Ads are passive and they work.
Do they? We've outspent Trump in three elections now and still lost two of them. Is there any actual measure of the value of an ad for political purposes? It's not like business where you could note an increase in sales after you run an ad campaign, there's one single opportunity to "buy" and it's a secret. Anything you learn in that one campaign you just have to hope still applies years later in a different environment with a different candidate.
I'm sure they have some benefit, but the only time I've ever seen someone talk about political advertising was either when they were sick of seeing them or when an ad was going viral because regular people were using their social networks to share it.
Yes, they do work. Anyone who thinks marketing and advertising are ineffective on them ate just ignorant of how ads work on them.
If you study advertising or marketing you'll inevitable learn about Charmin toilet paper in the USA. They ran a campaign that was irritating regarding people squeezing toilet paper rolls because they were so soft. "Don't squeeze the Charmin" was their slogan. People hated the ad. They complained about the ad to stations but Charmin also sold a shitload of toilet paper based on this ad campaign so even irritating ads can work.
You seem to have read the first sentence and decided you'd gotten all you need for a reply.
No I read your whole post. The whole bit about Charmin advertising was responding to your bit about how you only heard people complaining about ads. The fact that they complained doesn’t mean it wasn’t working.
There is no reason to believe advertising is less effective now than it has been. We haven’t suddenly become smarter, more informed, or better skilled at critical thinking on the whole.
The whole point wasn't that advertising itself is a failure, it was that political advertising doesn't operate in the same system and doesn't have good measures of success. If you hear a stupid jingle every fucking day (in a time people when people watched broadcast TV reliably), when you go to buy toilet paper, something you have to do, you might subconsciously choose the one that feels well established. The advertisers can test their campaign in different markets and validate the results.
But voting isn't a purchase and isn't something you have to do but don't really think about because the options are mostly interchangeable. If an ad annoys you, you can just not vote. You also can't just test a series of campaigns to see what works because it's not an ongoing choice. You're not going to find easily comparable races and if you do you're not going to abandon one to test a null case, and even if you could the sentiments and candidates are going to change by the time you can implement your findings.
Saying "advertising sells stuff, so it must be good at getting votes" doesn't make sense. It's not the same thing.
And Im not claiming they are the same thing. I am claiming they are equally effective in increasing brand/name awareness. That is what advertising is for.
Again we haven’t become smarter. There’s no reason to believe that advertising stopped working.
Things change over time. What works on one generation may not work on the next whose minds were conditioned differently in their formative years.
I think propaganda still works as a concept, but Democrats are trying to brainwash people like it's the 1960s and Republicans are on the cutting edge of lying.
I'd compare it to, say, the Lutheran Church vs a modern megachurch. Same core absurd claim about heaven and whatnot, but the megachurch knows how to package it for the modem gull.
The nature of a specific campaign might change over time but no one is immune to marketing and advertisements. Thinking it does not apply to you or others around you is always an odd take.
Don't convince national Democratic leadership of anything. They're too disconnected and don't care about any state they don't live in. Run for, and take control of state Democratic parties. Start telling national leadership your terms for your state supporting or working with them.
If enough people do that. They will change or become irrelevant.
The only ones that get any level of power or influence within the party are ones that will defend the status quo. A system that's operating as designed cannot be reformed from within.
Where can I sign up? Fuck it. I'll run for something.
What state are you in? I will absolutely find you the info.
AZ
The state party has some resources here on volunteering and when the state committee meets for elections and whatnot.
You can go here and look at your county party website as well, they'll have more info on how to get involved/run there. I looked at a few, most of them had a way of singing up to be a committee person.
Best of luck!
Should spread the word. I'll help. We should have been doing this 20 years ago.
What state do you live in?
Missouri. Not sure why you're being downvoted for asking that. We generally even in larger metropolitan areas have a ton of offices that no one other than Republicans run for. Which is part of why this is a red state. National Democrats don't even try to field candidates for anything but the biggest offices. Which often backfires denying them even those.
All states need to take back their leadership and a lot of the funding from the national party. The National Party should be nothing more than a body that coordinates the state parties. Not the actual leadership itself. That's part of the reason they seem so disconnected. Because they are
Convince the voters to stop falling for culture war bullshit then
Losing is more expensive