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You could have a personal garden, but to have a farm you'd have to obtain a lot of land. Then you'd have to make the land productive with either large and resource hungry machinery i.e. capital or you'd have to obtain and exploit the labor of farm workers to work by hand.
You and your community collectively owning and operating a farm is literally a communal farm.
Personal property is for personal use. That's it.
Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn't want a garden won't have one to sell you, because they wouldn't have one in the first place.
Don't think in terms of "right" and "wrong". Think materially.
You can't even imagine helping your neighbors, huh?
You overestimate how much the average person cares for people they don’t know.
Keep telling on yourself.
Who decides what constitutes surplus?
Substance farming is different than owning a farm that exists by its own production of food and selling those produced goods at market price.
Keeps the means of production out of the hands of the wealthy.
The government, literally the only option left when you take away the rich and poor.
I'm so sorry you believe that.
It is not greedy to want to live and to have personal property! That's literally what the OP is about!
People aren't born bad. They're made that way and they need help.
Capitalism has trained you to see your neighbor as your enemy. It's a tragedy!
Odd when I apply this theory to people like say Jeff Bazos it kinda comes off funny.
Oh those poor evil billionaires are just needing help, will someone not think of the tragic local monopoly man?
He does need help!
He needs reeducation and rehabilitation, preferably in a facility where he can learn to be human again.
I don't think most communists would have a problem with people trading crops that they grow themselves. The problem comes in when someone hires employees to grow more crops for them, starts collecting profits, and grows the farm even bigger. All under the expectation that they own everything that their employees worked for. Cause that's literally capitalism on a small scale.
Of course it needs to be possible for multiple people to come together and start growing crops, but only as long as no single person can take over the entire operation. Leaders would be elected, and be given a somewhat higher salary to reflect the additional responsibility.
That's a paddlin'
you going to manage a 10 acre farm by yourself and eat everything?
you can grow a few vegetables in a garden, but as long as people help you do it, it's not really personal property
10 acres is very very small and is not even a full time job for a person. Are you assuming this is all done without machines? like small hobby farms are all Amish or something? (actually even the Amish farm way more then 10 acres per person, they are not lazy)
(EDITING TO ADD THIS IS WRONG AND I MESSED UP THE CALCULATIONS. IT SHOULD BE 40 TIMES OR SO MORE)
Also just because this bugs me in a strange way.
10 acres of land growing wheat produces about 600lbs of harvested wheat a year. That is about 900,000 calories a year. Even of you ate nothing but wheat gruel you would just manage enough food for one person (about 900,000 calories assuming 2500 a day).
I think like a lot of people you have no idea the scale of farming required to feed the world. Is this why Holodomors happen?
I think 600lbs for 10 acres is very low. That would be 1 bushel per acre. I think 30 bushels per acre is pretty low for current wheat growing areas. Just realized I could look it up and it's in the middle 40s per acre. So 24000 lbs for 10 acres.
That is an insanely low yield. You should be able to feed at least 1 person per acre with wheat. Other crops like corn and potatoes can have yields that are 2-4x larger from the perspective of calories vs. land use.