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[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes 1991(?) Ukraine agreed to give Russia the nuclear weapons in Ukraine in exchange for protection from the US, it's very well known.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes 1991(?) Ukraine agreed to give Russia the nuclear weapons in Ukraine in exchange for Russia agreeing not to unilaterally attack them, it’s very well known.

Fixed it for you! You already provided the citation, so I don't need to. There was no NATO-style protection in the memorandum, otherwise Russia would have no reason to freak out about them joining NATO now, and getting security guarantees.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No one said NATO style. You said no one in the West pledged protection, the US did. The only thing arguable about it is how much protection was stated. The US backtracked and now say it simply means they will recognize Ukrainian borders and border incursions into Ukraine based on the meaning of three different words in 4 languages that all basically mean the same thing.

Did Western countries promise them security? That's the whole controversy about them joining NATO.

As you're clearly aware America which is western pledged security, what exactly that means is debatable but the fact it happened is not.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 7 points 1 week ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

I can link it to you, but I can't understand it for you. The section about what Russia said about the memorandum when they invaded Crimea was pretty interesting too, and new to me.

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