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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca

Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net

Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure

Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

If I had the money I'd buy it and replace every post with goatse.

EDIT: wtf the insane asylum is loose. Halp

[-] _lunar@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago

yes let's sexually harass all those people depending on our mutual aid comm. you're so righteous.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

There are only two kinds of people on Lemmy.

  • People who left Reddit to escape the verbal diarrhea that overwhelmed the site.

  • People who left Reddit to spread that diarrhea.

sigh The @sh.itjust.works domain is full of the latter.

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago

If "verbal diarrhea" is so commonplace on reddit, then it wouldn't be necessary for people to leave Reddit in order to spread it, hmm?

Obviously your entire premise is sheer stupidity regardless, but I just want point out that even according to your own internal logic, it still doesn't make any sense.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 weeks ago

I'm just here bc people made fun of .world users, please don't make more tribalism 😭😭

[-] Kitathalla@lemy.lol 11 points 4 weeks ago

The idea is stupid, sure, but it's not like it's any more sexual harassment than posting pictures of a pig's ass repeatedly. Hexbear users (many of whom I quite like) should be used to it.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Yeah harassing homeless people asking for 20 bucks so they can avoid their next hypoglycemic seizure with mid 2000's edgy shock porn explicitly for the purpose of being cruel to them IS EXACTLY THE SAME as harassing deliberate trolls acting in bad faith with a picture of an animal's butt so they go away.

You're a perfectly well adjusted person who I totally wouldn't believe hurts small animals for fun.

Swear to god Hexbear is the best thing that's ever happened to the internet if only because we get to see a lot of people's real faces when they react to it.

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[-] Timbits@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 weeks ago

Tankies run on hypocrisy.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

Maybe not goatse, but if i were rich i'd just redirect it to world lmfao

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

Average Western """"leftists""""

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't know if you're talking about me, but if so i am not western, and hating on MLism isn't anti-left lmao.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 month ago

Yes of course, real leftism is when you exclusively punch left and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lol. I don't exclusively punch left so i don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and i said it would be funny, while saying "it's a waste of money".

and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

Get a clue lmao. State capitalism isn't leftist. Even fucking social democrats are more leftist, and that's saying something.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left

Your comment history disagrees.

State capitalism isn’t leftist

Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess "real leftism" is just Western chauvinism.

Even fucking social democrats are more leftist

Why? Oh right, because they're Western

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Your comment history disagrees.

Okay? This is a new account anyway, i switched to it. And lemmy isn't the only thing i use so this is just a stupid point.

Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess "real leftism" is just Western chauvinism.

Whataboutism. I did not say that at all lol. Fuck state-capitalism, but fuck neoliberalism more.

Why? Oh right, because they're Western

Do you hear yourself? I'm not western, i have nothing to gain from praising them.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

This is a new account anyway, i switched to it.

Ah ok, leftism is when you name a new dedicated account for left punching.

Whataboutism

Lol, the classic cry of the hypocrite.

Fuck state-capitalism, but fuck neoliberalism more.

Says the one calling for a "state-capitalist" community to be hijacked and redirected to a neoliberal one.

I’m not western, i have nothing to gain from praising them.

Then you should stop doing it.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

Okay so i said literally none of that. This is my main account that i switched to recently, "cry of the hypocrite" = calling out fallacies lmao.

The reason why i hate hexbear more than .world is because one brigades, argues in bad faith, contributes absolutely nothing of value to the fediverse.

Then you should stop doing it.

Lol, Don't recall doing so but okay.

[-] Ambii@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 weeks ago

I swear to god that image is only ever used by douchebags being intentionally obtuse when they know they're wrong.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn't technically anti-all left, but it's still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn't left is just purity testing nonsense.

I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you'd be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there's a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It's entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago

Politics doesn't exist on a one-dimensional scale you know. These extremely authoritarian branches of leftism are to me just as detestable as right-wing authoritarianists (though clearly one is more of a present threat). But I dislike being associated with those people because they believe they somehow must be similar in ideology to me.

[-] chickentendrils@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Totally going to defeat that 400 year dictatorship of capital which has only previously made concessions to workers when there was a tangible alternative system presenting some threat to theirs with an election. Keep it up. Believe in you. <3

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

Yes, Marxism-Leninism is surely the only alternative out there. I guess all those concessions to social democrats, greens etc... never happened. 🙄

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago

Those concessions to social democrats were made when the USSR was presenting an alternative, workers were presenting an alternative (dragging the boss out and beating him to death infront of his family), or both.

People forget FDR was a Roosevelt, old money. His predecessor had just sent the tanks in to raze an encampment of insurrectionist soldiers within sight of the capitol building. FDR didn't give concessions because he secretly thought his class deserved less and the workers deserved more, but as a means to protect capitalism (and his privilege under capitalism), and nearly got coup'd for doing that.

When the bourgeoisie don't have a reason to fear the guillotine, they stop buying guillotine insurance and your social democracy gets hollowed out by neoliberalism.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago

Marxism-Leninism is literally the study of how to overthrow capitalism. So you can go ahead and try the Paris Commune again for the dozenth time but yes. It is the alternative to capitalism.

If you want to overthrow capitalism you're going to be a ML or you're going to try to start over from 0 for entirely stupid reasons.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Politics doesn't really have dimensions to begin with, things like the Political Compass are just abstractions of ideas and positions that attempts (unsuccessfully, IMO) to provide shortcuts to understanding the broader image of a viewpoint.

As an example, Marxism-Leninism and AES states espouse and implement more democratic structures, but harshly oppressed opposition from liberals, monarchists, and fascists. This is certainly "authoritarian," but I don't think that's a bad use of authority. Rather, all systems and positions are "authoritarian" in different directions and towards different groups. You get where this is getting muddy and rather than clarifying, it's actually adding more confusion?

As a side-note, if you think Communists are "just as detestable" as Nazis, I think you need to look more critically at these movements historically. Blackshirts and Reds is a great comparison of fascism and communism historically, proving them to be completely uncomparable in terms of sheer brutality and who they served, the bourgeoisie or the proletariat, while taking a critical look at the USSR and why it dissolved.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

Politics doesn't really have dimensions to begin with, things like the Political Compass are just abstractions of ideas and positions

Which is why I'm saying it's nonsense to claim that say a social democrat should not criticise a Marxist-Leninist because it's "punching left".

As an example, Marxism-Leninism and AES states espouse and implement more democratic structures, but harshly oppressed opposition from liberals, monarchists, and fascists. This is certainly "authoritarian," but I don't think that's a bad use of authority. Rather, all systems and positions are "authoritarian" in different directions and towards different groups.

This makes little sense. Apart from extremists most groups and systems do tolerate different opinions and viewpoints, and would even allow change if a majority agrees with it. Authoritarian governments explicitly do not allow this.

There's a case to be made for suppressing views that are directly harmful to human life. Authoritarian governments suppress viewpoints that may harm or reduce their own power. And much like capital, power has a tendency to accumulate in one place, which is exactly why democratic systems that allow other viewpoints are so important: it decentralizes power. This also deradicalizes extreme elements in government.

Take the Netherlands. There's been much said about the PVV, the anti-Islam and anti-migration party, coming into power. But because their power is so diluted and shared with other parties with different viewpoints, they're having to work with three much more moderate parties. As a result:

  • They settled for a PM who was formerly associated with the labour party, a longtime fairly apolitical bureaucrat.
  • They had to let go of their anti-Islam views.
  • And the big anti-migration bill? The current proposal makes it so they can better differentiate between refugees from wartorn countries and those who are in immediate danger, between migrants who are coming from relatively safe countries who were not in immediate danger and between those who are actively prosecuted based on their identity and who cannot reasonably be expected to return safely. Not exactly massively radical stuff.

They're still twats, but they haven't made any extreme or radical changes, and they won't be able to do so either. They had to moderate, and they did (to a point, of course).

As a side-note, if you think Communists are "just as detestable" as Nazis, I think you need to look more critically at these movements historically.

History isn't exactly kind on either movement. The theory is always different from practice unfortunately. I'm not interested in counting skulls, I decide for myself what the boundary is for me to consider acceptable. I don't care how far beyond that boundary a movement is. I won't vote for it nor will I cease criticizing it so long as I have alternatives (and thankfully I have plenty). Both Marxism-Leninism as well as Nazism are beyond that boundary for me. Sure, there's more elements I agree with in ML, but I can find those in other ideologies too. It's the elements that I heavily disagree with that make me dislike it. I can acknowledge Nazism is worse, but that doesn't draw me towards ML in any way.

I suppose you could draw a parallel to people who won't support the democrats over their stance on Gaza having caused a genocide. Sure, republicans are certainly worse, but that won't make me a cheerleader for Harris. But given that the US has no alternative, I would (begrudgingly) still vote D. Thankfully I live in a country with strong democratic principles, which does provide me with alternatives, so I don't have to compromise on my principles.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

"Punching left" just means antagonizing Socialists. It isn't about arbitrary spatial coordinates, but is a commonly understood shorthand.

Secondly, systems do not allow themselves to be changed. Feudalism wasn't voted away, nor is Capitalism. There's frequently controlled opposition giving the illusion of choice, when no such choice exists in reality. This is a fact that has been understood for centuries.

I don't think the case that viewpoints like fascism should be allowed makes any sense, and taking the USSR's example, liberalization killed 7 million people that would not have died otherwise. Rather, if we take Marx's analysis, centralization of industry and production is inevitable as it advances, ergo it should be democratized as it centralizes. Decentralization doesn't mean democratization, such analysis would mean Capitalism is more democratic. In reality, centralization and decentralization have nothing to do with how democratic a system is, just how it can be democratized.

As for Marxism-Leninism, you can oppose it without drawing equivalence to the Nazis. Doing as such originated as a form of Nazi apologia and Holocaust minimization, also known as Double Genocide Theory. You likely aren't intentionally doing that, but the fact remains that this is the origin of such equivalences. Moreover, the bodycount of Western European countries and the US is far higher to begin with, History has been more kind to AES than it has to Capitalism.

I encourage you to read the book I linked.

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[-] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 weeks ago

Tankies are just fascists painted red.

And the last time I checked, hating fascists isn't anti-left

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 weeks ago

“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.

Moreover, calling Communists "fascists" makes about as much sense as libertarians complaining about the US government being "Communist." It's entirely divorced from reality and rests upon dramatic errors in understanding what fascism is, and how AES states are run. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to understand why fascism and Communism are in no way comparable, as well as Is the Red Flag Flying? The Political Economy of the Soviet Union to see how the Socialist economy functioned in the USSR.

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[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Hexbears accusing others of left punching and purity testing 😂

This is honestly surreal, you don't see the irony in what you're saying?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago
[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 weeks ago

All that hexbear does is attack other leftists and purity test endlessly. You even attack your own admins and developers until they just leave because they're sick of being abused by other so called "leftists".

Solidarity ain't easy but it would be nice if you at least pretended to try.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 weeks ago

What Leftists do Hexbear attack? What counts as a "purity test?" If you mean that Hexbear opposes Gonzaloists that support Gonzalo and defend Pol Pot, then I'd say that's a fantastic example of good attacks against "leftists."

I think you're on a bit of a high horse, as someone who runs the same instance MeanwhileOnGrad is hosted on, and tried to baselessly claim sh.itjust.works is "less bigoted than Hexbear" when you yourself think China and Russia are pushing "gender politics" to radicalize western youths against the US. This is MAGA-tier conspiracy theory nonsense and undermines the real struggles faced by transgender people in order to push your own political agenda.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao

lmao

Woof. We've got a live one.

[-] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 10 points 4 weeks ago

You'd be buying the domain name, not the lemmy instance. So if you wanted to replace every post with whatever, you'd first have to set up your own server and create a new lemmy instance for your newly purchased domain name. You'd have to take extra sets then to mangle your lemmy instance such that it didn't show the real posts but instead showed what you wanted...

In the end that technical work would be more expensive than the domain name... and probably not worth the effort for a short-lived and mean-spirited joke.

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