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Meanwhile 🦗🦗🦗🦗 from the genocide Joe caucus.
Hey, me here from the Genocide Joe caucus, I voted for Harris, Trump is a despicable pathetic genocidal idiot...and Genocide Joe disgustingly facilitated the conditions for a genocide to be expanded upon by Trump.
Also while saying all those things I was chewing gum and walking, heap praise on me for doing the impossible.
What the fuck are we supposed to say? We spent a year and a half doing everything in our power to show the dems what they need to do to have a chance to win, they chose genocide instead.
Too late to say anything now that you've helped elect the orange felon. Too bad you couldn't stfu before and steered a significant amount of people to vote for the cunt as a protest vote. Enjoy the alternative.
I never see liberals say this shit to Obama or Clinton, despite Barry and Hildawg being the two most invigorating force behind the 2016 Trump climb to the top of the GOP Primary. I don't see them flinging it at the Starmer campaign staff, who popped across the pond to neatly derail Harris's poll climb with their shitty advice. I certainly don't see any mention of the DNC, the Dem donor class, or anyone who actually ran for office taking blame.
But hey, maybe cuddle up closer to your friends the Cheneys next election cycle. Maybe they've got the secret sauce that wins elections.
Nah the mistake radical leftists made was not to support Bloomberg, that was surely where went wrong!!!
Did you think that maybe uniting behind an evil candidate as your collective sole effort to defeat Trump was a bad plan?
You all say, "if only you all did what we did, we would have won." That's true in reverse - if you had all only done what we did, we would have won. And we wouldn't have had a war criminal in office either.
Why is the Democrat the default vote? How is it compatible with democracy at all, that the one thing we actually control as a people, the vote, isn't even based on who's the best candidate?
In my mind, this is very simple, we have a basic responsibility as a people to exercise FULL control over who's in office, to secure the outcomes we want. And we're failing to do that. We don't go through the process of figuring out who out of every candidate is best. The TV tells us which of two candidates to pick, and we pick one of those two. That eliminates all democratic checks on the government.
Hey you can elect this person that'll slap you or this person that'll stab you in the face.
Oh well the slapping is so bad we should just not choose either and give the win to face stabby candidate. That's the dumbass "logic" that got us here.
I mean, I fully expect it was also mostly a foreign psyop to steer votes toward Trump or at least generate apathy and keep votes from going to Kamala (same outcome more or less). Mostly because it's such a dumb premise of why you wouldn't vote for Harris and just sit out the election. So I can't imagine it was truly widespread and I think that's also why it's crickets now that the election is over and Russia's orange gremlin candidate for president of the USA won.
The actual choice:
A) Stabs you in the heart
B) Stabs you in the lung
C) No stabbing, picks wildflowers for you
And you guys go, "C isn't viable! At least you're less likely to die if you get stabbed in the lung - you have an entire hour to get to the hospital!"
Bro, C is right there. Was there the whole time. Why the fuck would we, AS A POPULATION, choose anything but the best option.
No, C is not "right there" when our electoral politics work the way they do. That's a huge strawman argument.
The reality is there were two choices, one clearly better for Palestinians.
And we (informed voters) spent a year and a half painting you a very detailed picture of what was going to happen if you didn’t suck it up and do what was necessary to keep a rapist traitor out of the White House. Hell.. even HE spent a year and a half telling you exactly what he was going to do.
Remember Project 2025? Yeah… that is the actual name of what’s happening right now.
Sooo…..
Start with: “I’m sorry” and work from there. Because anything short of this is unacceptable.
Oh, far more than a year and a half.
Joe Biden to rich donors: "Nothing would fundamentally change" if he's elected
Dems made it crystal clear that they were going to roll over to Republicans, whether nor not they won. Absolutely nothing in the last month has lent weight to the contrary.
The only thing that would have kept Trump out of the whitehouse was for the democrats to stop facilitating genocide.
You blue MAGA are the ones who helped them maintain the delusion they could have both their genocide and win. You helped them maintain the delusion they could have won with Biden until 5 months before the election.
To be honest, of all the posts I've seen of the shit Trump is pulling, all I've seen is comments complaining of the Democrats who didn't vote. The actual story in the post...crickets. It's unnerving when you want to actually see comments about the subject of the post and all the comments are "wwuuaahhh, you didn't vote for Harris it's all your fault" against people who aren't even reading the goddamn posts. I'm sick of it!
Like...I hear you guys. I don't fully agree but I hear you. But for fuck sakes, let it go, lets talk about the actual post instead of going on and on about the perceived injustice the Democrats have suffefed. Right or wrong, it's done! Let it go!
Did you think that maybe it’s because we all already knew about all of this shit? So it’s not as important for us to spend time discussing it because…
WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST YEAR.
You've also been whining and crying about third party voters for the past year, but you still find that important enough to go on about at every opportunity.
You mean prior to the election? when we all told you what would happen and instead of listening, you all played victim and reported everyone for being mean to you?
Yeah… if you want to call asking people to do the right thing “whining and crying,” sure.
Now I’m absolutely going to go on about it at every opportunity because I truly believe that you should never be let off the hook on this.
Yes, I know you know. You are all very smart and sofisticated. But by being stuck on your complaining you are preventing people from discussing what really matters. In my case I see a post about the latest Trump antic, I go in with a opinion to give and eager to see other people's insights.
But it's all "wuahhhaaa...it's all their fault" and the actual shit that Trump pulled takes the back seat and is buried in your moping. So I've mostly given up on commenting on these posts even though I agree more with you than not. Trump himself couldn't censor me more effectively.
Your priority is being right. And since the shit that Trump does makes it easier for you to feel right then that is all you want the world to know. How right you are and how wrong the others were. And they should say "sorry" for eternity so you can feel right forever, while Trumps rapes your butt because your ego is what matters.
I want to be angry with you. But ultimately I just find it sad and depressing.
So wtf are you doing on here then? Your entire premise is so sad, months after one failed victory and you're demanding random strangers say they're "sorry" to you? Were you Kamala's campaign manager or something? Because the vibes fit right in.
You spent a year telling people what to do, congrats. Do you think the progressive movement just started? Do you think this is the first set-back the world has succumbed to?
It's kinda obvious that comments like yours reveal it's just some sort of sports game to you. You spent one singular year talking progressively, so now it's not as important to you but will post several comments saying how important it is for others on your team to bow down to your superiority.... because you spent a singular year talking progressively.... whoopdee fucking doo.
Do you not think Biden was instrumental in setting this up?
Biden: doesn't invade Gaza
Genocide Joe crowd after Trump cleanses Gaza: But did you think about how this is Joe Bidens fault?
It's clear that Israel has major sway with the US. We were not gonna stop them no matter who was in charge. I think Joe did as much as he could without pissing off our corporate overlords but him ending the conflict was never gonna happen.
We haven't invaded Gaza yet, and i don't think we will just like i don't think we'll invade Canada or Greenland. Trump says a lot of dumb shit that will never happen. The only thing that has happened since trump took over is a ceasefire.
He could've at least tried by blocking arms shipments. Biden could've done that at any time since there's already a law on the books that the u.s. must stop weapons shipments if there is credible evidence they will be used in war crimes. Biden and his state department refused to enforce this law and ignored multiple reports about war crimes to do so. One time they tried to do it on a specific squad in the Israeli military of ultra orthodox that was doing crimes in the west bank but gave in after bibi said it was anti-semetic.
Even if that wasn't an option Biden could've vetoed the many arms packages that were passed after it was clear Israel was attempting a genocide, he didn't. Even after he was effectively a lame duck after he dropped out and didn't have to worry about the Israel lobby. Even after he was actually a lame duck and the dems already lost.
This wasn't Biden being handcuffed by outside forces, he had multiple opportunities to stand against the genocide and refused to because he is an ardent zionist who is fine with the horrors in gaza.
Doesn't matter about the ifs. People decried Biden for not stopping the conflict. Here's trump saying he'll do much, much worse. Where all the Genocide Joe's at? Oh right, they never cared. Just needed something to sway people opinions away from Dems.
Also, you left out the critical part of my quote (which is just arguing in bad faith) Bidens does as much as he can without pissing off our corporate overlords. This is an oligarchy and has been for years. Money rules all. The war machine demands blood to convert into dollars.
Here? It looks like the person who posted this is what you'd call a "genocide joe". There are tons of people in this thread like me arguing that what he did is still horrible. Do you want us to say trump is worse? Yeah rhetorically, but objectively Biden presided over a year and a half of unmitigated horrors and trump has presided over a ceasefire.
If this were true, Biden wouldn't have pulled out of Afghanistan. He did though, despite huge backlash, which i commend him for, because he knew the war was an unjust waste of money. He didn't do the same for Gaza because he is a staunch zionist. This also ignores his lame duck period where he wasn't beholden to any corporate interests, and he still kept sending weapons to Israel, because he's doing it out of principal not pressure.
Also it's not like Afghanistan since there's still another war going on. If Biden cared about the genocide he could make a deal with these oligarchs to compensate any loss in sales in gaza with more spending on Ukraine.
Leftists respect and remember this, especially given how the mainstream media went full warhawk on Biden for actually doing it. If only Biden had got his head out of his old racist ass and used his power to stop the Palestinian Genocide.
... That started under Biden. As far as US diplomats were involved, who do you think was in charge of directing them?
If we want to give the US president credit for a ceasefire, why would we give the credit to the one who any involvement happened before they were in office, to say nothing of the one who wasn't even in office when it started?
Yes bidens diplomats made the deal, along with Qatari and Egyptian mediators, but they were unable to get Israel to sign it. It was only after trump was elected and started talking to bibi as the president elect that the Israelis signed the same deal that they rejected 6 months ago.
They hadn't achieved any significant accomplishment that would prompt them to say "we're good now" and finally sign. The only thing that changed was the incoming administration.
I don't know what trump said to bibi but whatever it was it changed his mind on a ceasefire. My guess is he just wanted a 6 week break so that he could roll out all the horrible shit he's been doing in his first month without having to deal with Gaza. They probably went along with it because trump is more likely to follow through on stopping weapons shipments because he's less committed to the zionist cause and political norms of unwavering "defensive" support for Israel.
Or maybe bibi was just tanking peace talks to drag down Biden and they were actually fine 6 months ago but wanted to help trump win first. Possibly with some collusion with the trump campaign but I doubt the dems will ever investigate that like they did russia because that would be anti-semetic.
In either case I don't think bibi would've signed if Harris won. Either because he doesn't respect her or he wants to drag down the democratic party.
It was Trump's envoy that secured the ceasefire
I'm not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so's is really helping the cause.
Personally, I'm watching the dumpster fire from up on your hat, without any option to participate in your elections either way, but it's still getting pretty grating. Surely, there's a better strategy.
I've heard so much MSNBC bigotry in the last month.
"Palestinians cost us the election!"
"Trans people cost us the election!"
"Hispanics cost us the election!"
"Everyone under 40 cost us the election!"
This is typically followed by some sickeningly smug "I hope they enjoy what they get" from the most vile and repulsive insider slime the party has to offer. And now Dem Leadership is just throwing up its hands, insisting Trump's just a dictator now and there's nothing any of them can do.
Hell, the fucking CIA - the agency that exists to topple foreign governments - seems equally indolent and feckless. So, idk. Maybe saying "I told you so" isn't impacting the cause one way or another.
Wow I'm glad I don't watch MSNBC, that does sound truly sickening.
Yes, because hopefully if we point out how much not voting has hurt us and everyone else, these dimwits will actually choose the lesser evil next time instead of letting the greater evil win
Oh yes, calling people dimwits will totally win them over.
We absolutely will not. Take that into account and stop thinking it's a bluff you can call.
Better to let the greater evil win, eh? If some Palestinians are bound to die, better that American transes die too?
*I have literally seen people on Lemmy share this sentiment
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You need to update your rhetoric. The Democrats have already started talking about how they lost because of their support for trans rights and plan to move away from that. Your line in 2028 is, "If Palestinians and trans people are bound to die, we might as well let the Republicans win and go after bi people too, eh?" But maybe you should start practicing for 2032 and say, "Oh, so if Palestinians, trans people, and bi people are bound to die, we should let the Republicans win and go after lesbians too?"
Or, instead of walking down the list of "then they came for's," we could draw a red line and say that if they keep walking down that path, we will make it impossible for them to win. And if enough people do, then they will either have to give in or be replaced.
Edit: You posted two removed comments that nobody upvoted lol. Reminds me of that Bloomberg ad about random Twitter users saying mean things lol.
Sources for Democrats saying they lost because of their support for trans rights please?
NBC - Some Democrats blame party’s position on transgender rights in part for Harris’ loss
Thanks. To be honest, that article doesn’t really convey a sense that Democrats are going in that direction. That’s just a few politicians in a large party saying things that they then are made to apologize for which should be a pretty good indicator of what is well-supported by the rest of the party.