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I have seen a lot of comments these days that voters are stupid, or something equivalent. I suppose that is all the Democrats got at this point.
But there are way, way more comments, posts, and articles about how he's reneged on his promises & will continue to hurt people for the sake of hurting people... In the face of authoritarianism, you're worried about decorum?
Based on his current approval rating, he is doing what he promised to do, which won him the election.
This is the most garbage logic. His approval rating does not directly equate to fulfilling promises. There can be cause and effect, but it's not guaranteed especially when there's so many factors that impact approval rating.
Presidents get a post election bump. It has nothing to do with fuffiling policy promises. Hell, the bump began before he took office, so obviously it has little to do with him fulfilling promises. Trump had a bump his first term too. But guess what. Literally every other president, including Biden, had a better overall approval rating at the beginning of a term than trump ever has. Time will tell where his approval lands.
There is never going to be a perfect metric on fulfilling campaign promises. The approval rating is a very good metric for that. Did someone said this is perfect metric?
Trump was acting more like the sitting president than Biden between election and inauguration. Of course that can result in a bump. For example, the Israel Hamas ceasefire. Trump was critical in getting that deal done even though he was not a sitting president at the time.
Your logic was very bad.
I didn't say it wasn't even and imperfect metric. I'm saying that its almost no metric. Perhaps even evidence of poor performance to be honest. Because the approval bump is a repeatable and measurable phenomenon we observe after every election that has 0 to do with presidential policy or action. And his post election approval bump is the second worst in history, only below his own poor approval bump from his first term.
Information is relative to the environment and circumstances. Is doesn't exist in a vacuum.
First of all, to say approval rating has zero to do with action, I disagree completely. That is just ridiculous.
Second, Trump starts his second term. I don't think an election bump in second term is typically that significant if anything. Bush Jr's second term approval at realclearpoltics was at around +5, and that is in line with what Trump is getting right now. There wasn't much of a post election bump for Bush Jr.
Sorry, let me hold your hand on what i was saying a little more. Approval rating bumps directly after an election where there's been no time for major policy to occur (let alone for people to digest that policy and it's fallout) because there's been a transfer of power is meaningless when it comes to reflecting policy.
Unlike the previous administration, Trump moved very fast in his first week in office. These are major policies. It is important these policies are aligned with his campaign promises. Based on the current polls, his voters are very satisfied, and the polls are not meaningless at all. This is not the Biden administration which not much was done in the first week.
Again, I never said "polls are meaningless." I said "poll bumps all presidents have after an election resulting in a transfer of power are meaningless in reference to policy approval."
But look back at your own link. His approval rating is already slipping back. Less than a month ago he was at +8.2 and now he's at +5.3. And it will only accelerate as his policy sinks in. Also wild that you think +8.2 approval could mean that anyone is "very satisfied." But, whatever.
Trump has been at the center stage of American politics since 2016. Normally when you are there you lose political capital over time. The fact that Trump's approval and favorability rating is at the highest after 8 years is ridiculously amazing.
You heard it folks. People temporarily like trump a tiny bit more than they hate him and that's ridiculously amazing. The bar is in hell.
It didn't used to be normal that politicians were so hated and its weird to act like we should be happy about a politician most poeple hate.
Times have changed. In 1984 Reagan won all states except one. The political landscape is very different now. I don't see how anyone be able to do something similar no matter how good of a politician that person is.
To have the highest approval rating after 8 years at the center stage of American politics is amazing. Can you name a few who managed to do that?
Its not the highest. Its +5.3 when it was +8.2 a few werks ago. And its amazing you're still trying to do so many mental gymnastics to brag about a temporary +8.2 approval rating.
I could probably go through the data and find someone with better approval at one point after years of being in politics. Hell, I'm pretty sure Bidens approval after being elected after being vp for 8 years and then on the campaign trail another 4 years was higher than +8.2 direactly after he was elected. But the premise of bragging about a temporary +8.2 approval rating is so stupid I'm not going to bother to make a real comparison and entertain it.
Did you pay attention to the details? There was one poll that was a clear outlier. Perhaps you purposely choose not to see that...
Anyway, nobody cares about VP. It is so ridiculous for you to bring this up knowing VP really doesn't do much. I suppose you don't have any better example. That proves my point.
Im sorry, do we trust 538s polling average you cited again or not? I honestly can't keep up with your gymnastics. What citations would you like to cherry pick again?
Ahh right. Being VP isn't center stage but checks notes being nothing for 4 years still constitutes as center stage. Got it. You should try out for the Olympics.
American voters are stupid, that's what conservative politicians have been working towards with 50 years of education budget cuts.
This is a losing argument for Democrats.
You seem to think I'm American. That's cute.
Wrong. I didn't think that. Perhaps reread what I wrote.
Everything is a losing argument for Democrats because they're milquetoast lackies to the same oligarchs Trump invited to front row unable to call their masters out.