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The queer people who are buying guns to prepare for Trump’s America
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When you're preparing to fight a fascist regime, more guns is the solution.
Been working out so well with around 50k Americans dying every year needlessly. We are also clocking in at around one thousand child deaths every year. Japan had zero child deaths from guns this year, and the last, and the last, ad nauseam.
I know you gun nutters love your defense fantasies, but arming the gays isn't going to solve any problems and will result in more dead people
We already have more guns than people. How many moar guns until we are finally safe!?
But we’re not talking specifically about protecting children here, I’d agree with you that less guns are better to those ends. For fighting fascism though? It took a lot of gun deaths to unseat Hitler and Mussolini
Sure in a hypothetical alternate reality where the only way to defeat evil is to shoot it. Unfortunately we live in the real world and it just means more dead people.
Maybe I’m feeling cornered, vulnerable, angry, as is often the case with these things. But how do you suggest we protect ourselves and our allies from an evil that strengthens itself off of your sickness, your hunger, your homelessness, and has absolutely no qualms about meeting you with violence and coming up with an excuse later?
I would not suggest purchasing a gun if you are feeling cornered, vulnerable, and angry. Fear is the mind killer.
I would suggest reaching out to others, talking, getting political, and organizing.
Bringing a good argument to a gunfight is unfortunately not a winning strategy. When the fascists have no qualms shooting you simply for being yourself, no amount of peaceful organizing is going to stop them. Peaceful protests and organizing only work because they have the implicit threat of violence if the demands are not met.
Yeah because that is what Martin Luther King Jr. would have wanted. We also have to ignore all the peaceful demonstrations throughout history to believe your line of reasoning.
I totally get you live in a fantasy world where moar guns are the only solution. I guess the good guys just magically kill the bad guys. Glad we got that all worked out.
Would you like to investigate what the Black Panthers did? The number of times they shot their guns in anger is very small, but having guns was integral to their strategy of protecting the rights of black people being harassed by police. They were so effective that they changed to rules to prevent them from using guns the way they did. There were little more than 100 Black Panthers around at the time.
Perhaps you'd like to have a broader view of history beyond peaceful protests? Peaceful and violent means of protest rarely exist alone, and are rarely effective alone.
India would like a word. I have a very broad view. The difference is people don't always have to murder each other. In fact, murdering each other rarely brings about the kind a change we need in our society.
On today, the day we celebrate MLK Jr. maybe you could give peace a fucking chance. Tomorrow you can go back to being murderous gun nutter.
There were violent groups working for India's independence against the British.
Which brings me to this: https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156837
This book sometimes gets framed as "this proves non-violent protest is always better", but its text is far more nuanced than that. For any peaceful group that succeeds, you can find a more violent group working for the same goals. This is so consistent that making an academic case that peaceful protest works in isolation is an impossible task. For MLK, it was groups like the Black Panthers. For Gandhi, it was the Indian National Army.
Fascists would very much like it if you swallowed the idea that peaceful protest on its own is sufficient.
So if we come back tomorrow, do we get to argue without this shield around bad facts?
Yeah but most if not all of India was united against the British. They saw it as a potential military defeat if it did go sideways. The difference here is that Trump is wielding the government and zealous supporters against small marginalized groups of people.
If Britain decided to just murder people until everyone fell in line they would have had their asses kicked. If trump.does it he'd get it done pretty quickly.
This is a really interesting thought.
Thanks for proving my point with India despite the nuance. I mean you are really just arguing for violence at this point.
I get it, it is pre-emptive violence to prevent future violence!
Back to the argument that moar guns will solve the problem though. I get it now, more guns equals more violence and random Internet guy frezik likes violence!
Yeah, I don't think that proves your point at all.
No one attributes the success of the movement in freeing India with violence even if it did happen.
You are really reaching trying to prove violence has a purpose. And that purpose is apparently to get you off.
Nobody attributes it, except for people who have studied it beyond pop culture.
No, it is just you and your one Ghandi quote saying they were part of it. It is not a quote saying he would never had made it without their violence.
You really should stop pretending you know shit about this. I studied it in college and I don't feel like I could explain all the complexities of the groups interacting.
It is clear there have been many peaceful movements. Which leads us back to the concept that we need moar guns to solve our problem.
Did moar guns solve Ghandi's problems? Did moar guns solve Martin Luther King's problems? Don't bother answering because these are rhetorical questions.
Guns create problems, they don't solve them.
Dr Martin Luther King Jr bought himself an arsenal. You may not have heard about that
"If the Negro succumbs to the temptation of using violence in his struggle for justice, unborn generations will be the recipients of a long and desolate night of bitterness, and his chief legacy to the future will be an endless rain of meaningless chaos."
I heard his words and understood the significance. You pretend he would support a literal genocide on the American people through gun violence. It is sickening really.
And black people have such a great time in the states today!
I will never forget traveling to the East Coast when I was a teenager and seeing that the other side of the train tracks wasn't just a saying. There were still restaurants blacks were not welcome at. The racism was palpable.
I also wouldn't advise a gun. Explosives are way more effective.
Why stop there, surely there is something worse. Perhaps a personal nuclear weapon. Nothing too big of course, but just big enough to let's say make everyone regret having messed with you.
Think what a civil society would develop if everyone had one of these. On a side note, I am taking investments on a hot new uranium mine prospect.
My friend, if you nuke mar a Lago at the right time people will sing songs of your noble deeds for centuries to come.
What is the right time though. Would it be on a Friday for maximum shock or on a Monday so the news would have all week to discuss it.
And who are these people who would sing the praises. Most of all what did Mar a Lago do to deserve this. Maybe they hovered their finger over the "button" looking menacingly at you.
But yes, we all like noble deeds and to be known for centuries sounds great. Have you ever thought of opening up your own suicide bomber school.
When trump is home and preferably has musk round for tea.
Oof a big tech expo with Putin, Kim, and Poo bear. All of the mega billionaires all hanging with all the best of politicians. Is this the time?
I would much rather see all these people discredited and exposed for the liars and deceivers they are though.
Yeah but that's never going to happen in a system they've bought and paid for. Also, they have been exposed. Trump is a rapist and a convicted felon, musk is a nazi ket-head edgelord. But the problem is that nobody with any power will ever hold them accountable.
I know, it is pretty bizarre honestly. If I tried to pull the garbage they do I would be out of a job, arrested, and served divorce papers.
In this case evil is coming to shoot you.
Trumpers killed exactly zero gays today. Meanwhile over one hundred Americans died of gun violence including a couple of children.
This is the difference between your fantasy and my reality.
The "reality" where fascism backs down when you ask it nice?
There is a difference between a hundred dead bodies everyday and your revenge fantasy.
Don't even pretend you actually care about human life when we have a thousand dead children to lay on the altar of moar guns every year.
Don't pretend you care about fascism if you're setting aside proven tools to deal with it.
Meh, the truth is we lost a Vietnam of Americans to gun deaths this year. 50k people dead. That happened every year now the last twenty years
That is one million Americans dead. Please tell all those dead people and all the people who lost their loved ones that we need these guns to protect against facism.
We have moar guns than any other nation. We have moar fucking guns than people. Yet we are surrounded by fascists and need moar guns!
I mean at some point you just need a stupidity check.
At least 35M people died fighting the most major war against fascism. I guess that makes my cause more important.
Wealthy private American citizens funded the Nazi party. After the Nazi rose to power these same individuals lobbied world governments to not accept the exiled Jews thus sentencing them to eventual death. The US finally sides against the AXIS and comes in killing a shit ton of civilians.
Yeah 60m+ died because of our actions for sure. I don't think it is the lesson you think it is.
You expected it to happen immediately?