1041
We hate you (lemmy.world)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 80 points 1 month ago

Just like the "men would do anything but go to therapy" meme, Americans would rather install malware on their phones than get out to vote.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 month ago
[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What's this supposed to mean? You're tripping on several fronts.

Not only am I a person of color and I also heavily criticize Meta/Amazon/Google and their egregious apps, but news just came out a couple of days ago that the Chinese government sponsored literal malware and attacked civil rights activists with it from inside the US. Yes, it's obviously different than social media, but what do you think they're doing with unlimited access to a popular app that everybody and their grandma has on their phones collecting all that data about people's viewing habits and manipulating feeds?

And yes, I'm aware it's technically spyware but my comment was hyperbole saying Americans would knowingly install malware if they could. They're one step away from it pretending it's activism.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

but what do you think they’re doing with unlimited access to a popular app that everybody and their grandma has on their phones collecting all that data about people’s viewing habits and manipulating feeds?

Never seen a double down while pretending to sidestep quite like that

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)
[-] Naia 35 points 1 month ago

Except this was never about "malware" or anything else.

Republicans first wanted to ban it because younger people were getting politically organized on it, and they weren't voting republican.

Then it was the main platform where news of Gaza was getting out, because American owned media, social media included, have always towed the line with Israel and anything that shows them in a negative light is just automatically considered "antisemitic".

Because of Gaza, Democrats jumped on trying to ban it with Republicans because neither side liked that information was being spread and they had no power to suppress.

If they actually cared about security or the privacy of citizens they would make regulation that applied to all social media, US included. There is nothing Ticktok does that Facebook, Twitter, and all the rest don't have a long history of doing. And there was the whole Cambridge Analytica thing where it was found Facebook sold user data and gave access to a foreign group that actively was using Facebook to influence the 2016 election. If China wanted data on US citizens there is nothing stopping them from just buying it from American companies like they already do.

Also, Twitter was specifically doing things to help prop up Trump this last time at the behest of Musk who was not born in the US and pretty much fits the bill of "foreign agent trying to undermine American values", except that he's trying to undermine the people and the push for equality and human rights, which most politicians don't care about.

[-] camelbeard@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

The US banned Huawei, is close to banning TP-Link, so there is definitely a fear over Chinese spyware. It's a very real risk, just like Russian anti virus software (Kaspersky) had been banned recently.

But even if you don't believe it's about spyware TikTok should still be banned for economic reasons. China basically blocks all non Chinese socialmedia apps, so why would we accept Chinese social media? The playing field should be equal, banning TikTok makes it more equal.

I don't really believe Gaza has much to do with it, you can find the same content on YouTube or X or other platforms.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] sakodak@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I personally appreciate it when people correct me on things like this, so it isn't a dig or anything, but the phrase is "toe the line." As in walk up and put your toe on the line.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

You talk as if your vote means shit.

[-] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

That kind of talk is why Trump won.

[-] cybermass@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 month ago

As a Canadian, I honestly believe your election was rigged and has been since 2000.

Corporations own your country, it's very obvious. The only way you can influence your government at this point is collective action which will never happen cause you have iPhones to use to get your anger out.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
[-] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 month ago

Lack of resistance is why Trump won. Democrats are part of that, but the blame hardly lies on them alone.

Votes do matter, they're just not enough on their own.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

It's hard to claim lack of resistance when the entire party was shifting to the hard right trying to attract that hard right vote. They cozied up to war criminals, cops zionists and the right wing while blowing right-wing dog whistles there was no resistance

load more comments (2 replies)
[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Harris: 75,012,178 votes
Trump: 77,302,416 votes
Source

3 million people voted third party, nearly 90 million people didn’t vote at all- and you blame democrats….
Source

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

Yes. Democrats alienating the people whose votes they need to win is absolutely a democrat problem.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

You’re not owed your ass kissed for a vote. That’s not how it works. A candidate has to try to appeal to more than single issue voters. Historicity this has been proven true.

[-] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

No one is asking for their asses to be kissed, we're asking for a campaign that appeals to enough voters in the party's own base as opposed to courting voters in the other party's base.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

Except it's genocide

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

If it wasn't for Hillary's pied Piper strategy, Trump never would have been elevated with billions of dollars in free media to become president. If it wasn't for Kamala Harris embracing right-wing politics and every policy of bidens that the public opposed, we wouldn't have Trump right now. Democrats are toxic poison and are their own worst enemy

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Riiiiight. It’s always something other than what the numbers show.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In swing states, yes. But for the majority of americans not in a swing state, their gripes are at least somewhat valid thanks to gerrymandering.

[-] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Gerrymandering has been a huge problem for a while, what makes you think this time it played a pivotal role in Trump's victory? If that was the case, he would have won the electoral vote but not the popular vote, but he won the popular vote, first Rep pres to do so in 20 years apparently. It helped secure past Rep presidencies, but doesn't to have done so this time around.

load more comments (4 replies)
[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago
[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Are you seriously in a communist space advocating a vote for capitalist parties?

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Do you really think acceleratioism is not the dumbest fucking idea?

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How's that incrementalism working out for you? Your party implied that small baby steps would march to the left, your party is barely to the left of trump. You were advocating and pushing for your own country's shift to the right and further and deeper into fascist authoritarianism. Your party has shifted from people that are building houses for the homeless around the world to embracing cops and zionists on their party stage while blowing Republican dog whistles. Hoping to get the Republican vote while welcoming war criminals with open arms into the party

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

First: not my party

Second, how's your apathy/voting for a third party in a system where that literally hurts your own goals working for you?

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

First: not my party

Coward. Liar.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Not too bright are you? Nuance seems to not be your strong suit.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're a coward because you don't take responsibility for your actions. You're a liar who says they don't support or defend the democratic party when you support and defend them in the only way they care about.

And now I can say you're an idiot because of this tepid, rote reply. Le epic internet insult argument. Smarm smirk smarm.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

You seriously don't understand that you can vote for a party because it is the closest thing that can win to what you want without belonging to the party?

It's real easy to rag on others for trying something practical when the shit you do has zero chance of succeeding, I guess.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

When the options are "capitalist party that will kill more people" and "capitalist party that will kill fewer people," the answer is obvious

You could not vote, or you could vote third party, but when 97% of the country agrees that one of these two capitalists is gonna win, you have to try and make sure that the less evil one does

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

You sold your soul to vote for a genocide and you didn't even win. You are not less evil. Doesn't matter who you're comparing yourself to.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

After all the Palestinians are wiped out, I hope you rest easy knowing you didn't even try to save some of them

load more comments (15 replies)
load more comments (15 replies)
[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago
[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

We have Trump because of Democrats, specifically Hillary Clinton and her pied Piper strategy.

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So, it had nothing at all to do with the three million people single issue third party voting and the almost ninety million people not voting at all?

See, you are offering an opinion on why. I’m offering facts on why. Big difference.

Either you all have to admit that your single issue protest vote was VERY effective in sending a message that you won’t support someone that you don’t like- thus, helping trump get elected, or….

You have to admit that your protest vote failed miserably, and your message fell flat without ever being noticed and your third party vote was wasted- thus not helping to pad the numbers of the only person that could have kept him from being elected.

Which will it be?

Because we all heard all of the threats from the third party protest voters prior to the election. You all were going to send a clear message… so tell me- do you believe it was it heard, or not?

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I didn't cast a protest vote. A protest vote is one that is cast against something kind of like Democrats voting against Trump. The outcome that we got is 100% the result of Democrats thinking that they are any different than Republicans your party answers to the same bankers. The same CEOs the same donor class that the Republicans do for the same and means

[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Currently, a 3rd party vote IS a protest vote. Because it is a vote against the only person that could have stopped trump.

ALL third party voters knew they were voting for someone that has a barely above zero chance to win..

So it was a protest- a throwaway vote. Regardless of how you want to sell it, no matter how loudly you scream from the hills.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

>never votes because he doesn't think his vote matters

>awful politician gets elected because he didn't vote

See guys? Voting doesn't work!

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Awful politicians get elected when I do vote too

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

If voting didn't do anything then they wouldn't be trying so hard to suppress it.

[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

To give you the illusion that your vote matters. When one billionaire has more political influence than millions of citizens, your vote doesn't mean shit

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Two things can be true at once: Voting matters, and also billionaires have extremely outsized political influence. You know what part of that outsized political influence tries to do? Make people think voting doesn't matter and also pass laws to make it harder to vote. Why do you think Republicans were in such a rush to make it illegal to give out water bottles to voters in Georgia after they went blue in 2020? You're legitimately demented if you think all that is just a ruse to make you think voting is important.

There are problems with voting in America, and political corruption is rampant, and Congress is literally for sale, but voting is still how you choose which players are in the game. Using systemic flaws as an excuse to do nothing is a psyop tier opinion.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
this post was submitted on 15 Jan 2025
1041 points (100.0% liked)

Late Stage Capitalism

996 readers
34 users here now

A place for for news, discussion, memes, and links criticizing capitalism and advancing viewpoints that challenge liberal capitalist ideology. That means any support for any liberal capitalist political party (like the Democrats) is strictly prohibited.

A zero-tolerance policy for bigotry of any kind. Failure to respect this will result in a ban.

RULES:

1 Understand the left starts at anti-capitalism.

2 No Trolling

3 No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, or liberalism, liberalism is in direct conflict with the left. Support for capitalism or for the parties or ideologies that uphold it are not welcome or tolerated.

4 No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or 'wasted votes on 3rd party' is lessor evil rhetoric.

5 No bigotry, no racism, sexism, antisemitism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, or any type of prejudice.

6 Be civil in comments and no accusations of being a bot, 'paid by Putin,' Tankie, etc.

founded 5 months ago
MODERATORS