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[-] grue@lemmy.world 214 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

>reboot to bootloader -> unlock -> you will use your warranty -> yes

It's fucking outrageous that companies are allowed to blatantly lie like that (you will not, in fact, lose your warranty -- Federal law doesn't allow it). Every company that displays such a fraudulent message ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 68 points 3 months ago

ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse

Fines don't work, just start throwing people in jail already.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

By its nature, the only penalties that can be applied to a corporate entity are fines or revoking its charter. The latter is what I had in mind when I wrote "or worse," although I suppose piercing the corporate veil and going after the company's executives personally is certainly an option too!

[-] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 3 months ago

Board members should be individually liable

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

You can pierce the corporate veil. "What lawyer approved it? Who was responsible for putting that message there?”.

The corporation might not be able to be punished, but the actual people who did the thing can be.

The corporate veil for legal action only makes sense for a limited number of things that are problematic for the company but no person could really be expected to have directly made the choice.

[-] prole 11 points 3 months ago

Good to know... Is this only related to software hacking? Or is the warning sticker on hardware also bullshit?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

The warning sticker on hardware is also bullshit.

The TL;DR of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that if the manufacturer wants to deny your warranty claim, the burden is on them to prove that the owner's "unreasonable use" (abuse), neglect of required maintenance, or modification of the product was the actual cause of the failure.

For example, a car manufacturer can't use the fact that you tinted the windows as an excuse to deny your claim for an engine failure, but they could deny it for your failure to perform oil changes.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Unfortunately the TOS you agreed to says a ridiculous "arbitration" will determine who's right that you abused the equipment - and guess who the arbitrator will decide for.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Add it to the pile of reasons why, for products (as opposed to services), things like EULAs and ToS are unenforceable bunk.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I've heard that from a lot of people, but never seen it in action. Someone who sues or somehow gets what they want in spite of arbitration, I'd like to see that.

[-] keepthepace@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 months ago

In EU at least

[-] prole 9 points 3 months ago

So in other words: the rule applies to you unless you can afford to pay a bunch of lawyers.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Not in the case of a googlephone.

[-] Bill@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago
[-] prole 4 points 3 months ago
[-] kipo@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes.

Edit: Side note for consumers: Some US states have something called "implied warranty" laws that extend the warranty period of almost ANY product you buy -- even online -- usually for up to 4 years, and some states also extend it to used products as well.

https://www.upcounsel.com/warranty-laws-by-state

[-] drosophila 6 points 3 months ago

The amount that companies lie about laws is just disgusting.

Oftentimes most of the EULA isn't even enforceable, but they put it there anyway. It really ought to be illegal to do that.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

Terms & conditions are more a wishlist than anything else ;)

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