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I think the point is more that there's a ton of focus on the evils on non-capitalist systems, but no mention of capitalist evils
My point is, the genocide that was the planned famine has nothing to do do with communism the economic system and was a result of a fascist dictator. Capitalism is fucking awful, and trying to erase Soviet atrocities to make it look worse in comparison is not only evil but completely unnecessary.
Communism is a stage of civilizational development
Which former civilization reached that stage? I cannot think of a single one. And almost all of the countries that are around now that used to be communist are either no longer communist or communist in name only.
Communism is a stage of civilizational development, no "country" will ever reach it or has reached it. It will be international. It requires a highly advanced and productive industrial socialist economy to be realized.
And what anthropological studies are you basic this conclusion on?
If it's a stage of civilizational development, you should be able to find evidence.
Does the fact capitalism didn't exist in certain periods of human history mean it literally could not exist in the future? Communism is a classless, stateless, moneyless society, fufilling the principle, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." The argument is that communism will be achieved through an incredibly productive socialist economy, the problem with capitalism as a productive mode is that its internal contradictions make communism unreachable.
So no studies and no evidence.
Also, you seem to think that the only two options for a civilization are capitalism or communism, which just shows a complete ignorance of history, and possibly economics.
Very kind comment. Definitionally, communism describes a stage of civilizational development, what study do I need to prove that? That's literally what the word means.
Capitalism is a mode of production. The next mode of production after capitalism will be socialism.
Definitionally according to whom? Who defined it? What were their qualifications? Based on what evidence?
I cannot think of a single great civilization from history that reached communism of as a stage of development before the 20th century. Please name one or two. If it is a stage of civilizational development, you should be able to demonstrate that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#History
Again, does the fact there were times in human history before capitalism, with no knowledge or experience of capitalism, somehow make capitalism not a thing? Can something be defined only after it is seen?
The word communism, literally means, a classless, stateless, moneyless society, that fulfills the principle "from each according to their ability to each according to their need". That's what the word means, do you dispute this definition?
So not based on any sort of science or history, or evidence that this has ever happened in all of human history.
This is what is known as "wishful thinking."
The word communism, literally means, a classless, stateless, moneyless society, that fulfills the principle “from each according to their ability to each according to their need”. That’s what the word means, do you dispute this definition?
I dispute that it has ever happened or that there is any evidence that it ever will happen.
Not unless you are talking about tiny bands of hunter-gatherers.
I hate how tankie has become a pejorative used by low information posters for anyone left of center.
"The Holodmor wasn't all that bad and Stalin wasn't either" is not an "anyone left of center" position.
There aren't as many of these tanky arseholes as it can seem. Every one I block makes a huge improvement to my Lemmy experience.
Unfortunately, as a World News moderator, that's not something I feel I should be doing. In fact, I avoid blocking as much as possible even if I really want to just in case that person ends up being a problem in terms of not following community rules. It sucks, but moderating is a mostly thankless job anyway.
You'll notice with careful reading that that wasn't stated anywhere except in your head.
That is the position of tankies. The people you appear to be suggesting are "anyone left of center."
No one is saying that. The meme states that they got to learn about the famine - blamed on communism - but never do the atrocities that happen under capitalism and it’s prototypes get painted as such. They’re never blamed on capitalism.
If a famine happened under capitalism there would be all sorts of excuses for it instead of blaming the economic system like we do with communism.
I've seen people say that on Lemmy more than once. You've been here for all of 20 days.
My other account got banned from world because I fully support Luigi’ing our elites.
Also LOL not responding to my comment and instead just being a fucking child you haven’t been on lemmy long enough so your opinion doesn’t matter!
Guess I gotta block a dumbass mod too.
I responded to your comment.
You said this:
I responded to it.
If you didn't want it to be responded to, you shouldn't have said it.
There are multiple 20 day old ACCTS here posting that sort of thing. Though I'm sure its some sort of coincidence and not an indication of bad faith and ban evasion.
The fucking point is, the genocide that was the planned famine has nothing to do do with communism the economic system and was a result of a fascist dictator. Capitalism is fucking awful, and trying to erase Soviet atrocities to make it look worse in comparison is not only evil but completely unnecessary.
No one is erasing anything. The history taught in the west is warped - look at how bad communism is! - and not a fucking peep connecting the atrocities in the west to capitalism. Atlantic slave trade anyone? Manifest destiny aka the genocide of natives? The slave trade predates “official” capitalism by a couple centuries but what existed before “official” capitalism was a prototype of it.
Western education lies by omission.
Agreed. The meme isn't saying or even suggesting that.
what are tankies if not fans of stalin?
What centrists call anyone to the left of Netanyahu.
And how center keeps drifting rightward.
Yes, exactly; because tankie is a pejorative used by low information posters for anyone left of center.
Liberals love their slurs
Always was
https://theholytachanka.com/wiki/the-holomodor/
Ah yes, this random website is TOTALLY CREDIBLE.
A lot of credible sources at the bottom
What the fuck is wrong with capitalists that they act like they didn’t kill and enslave a whole bunch of people (and continue to) and instead are like but but communist famine!
Edit: Downvote me all you want liberals. I don’t support the USSR and never did. But western history is so full of shit - communism bad capitalism good! Meanwhile how many people has capitalism killed? How many millions?
Honesty is important and we can talk about both things.
*hundreds of millions
Because the basic understanding western plebs have of the holodomor have its roots in anti communist 1950s propaganda with all context removed.