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Musk, Vivek Enrage MAGA Fans by Saying Tech Firms Need Foreign Workers
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So let's be really fucking clear here on what Vivek and Musk want. It isn't more immigration. They want disposable tech workers that they can ship back to their countries of origin when they misbehave. They want the power dynamic they have over H1Bs that they don't have over US citizens.
What Musk and Vivek can't find isn't "motivated" americans. They can't find cheap american tech workers who have to take abuse or else they get deported.
This is, BTW, why right wingers focus so heavily on border control but not employment enforcement. You could end 90% of undocumented workers today if you penalized businesses found employing them. And it's real fucking easy to find those businesses. Go to just about any farm in the US.
The reason for boosting ICE funding is so a business owner can turn to their undocumented employees and say "If you don't fall in line, I'll call ICE and deport your ass". This allows them to issue all sorts of abuse at their employees that they can't get away with for US citizens.
This is why open borders or easy paths to citizenship is important.
I put myself in the firing line in front of an H1-B I had taken under my wing when the sales started slipping under the new VC installed "execs."
At least we both got some solid severance, and freedom.
He's doing great in a new job and I'm enjoying my hobbies and trying my hardest to stay away from tech.
If you can find the right place, there are still pockets where it has not been completely taken over by the "techbros" (sigh, I hate that term's implications - it's really MBA-type douches, not so much the tech people themselves).
Sadly, they usually don't last too long. It's like constantly trying to find a TAZ or something. Sooner or later, some seagull manager is given free reign to fuck it all up, destroy any good culture that anyone managed to make and so you have to move on...the places I've seen it turn fastest is where some MBA genius thinks they need to "save on human resources" by abusing the H-1B system. If you are lucky enough to be at a place that has no H-1Bs, and then they start getting added, start getting your things in order and GTFO if you can, because it's likely to turn into a toxic wasteland.
I have lots of stories related to H-1Bs. I remember interviewing after one of my layoffs and it was a particular wing of a gigantic cable news company.
The hiring manager, an Indian, was making it very clear that he expected "his" staff to work over and beyond 40 hours. I let slip I had a recent child, and that was clearly a mistake - I think the interview was basically over at that point. I should not have offered that as it's illegal to ask about it on their end. Anyway, they went through a few more motions for the "interview" after that and I spoke to more people. Everyone else I spoke to was Indian and practically genuflecting to this guy. They were clearly scared of him. I learned from someone in another department at the same place that nearly everyone in that job was H-1B, but not the manager. This other person figured they wanted to hire someone like me as the new token citizen, as they had a few before, but left for greener pastures. One was fired for being too unruly, apparently. Iron-fisted dictator in middle management expected people to be on-call 24/7 and one of the citizens was not having it.
Seems I dodged a bullet. After that interview, another one came up the week after for a MUCH better job and they had absolutely ZERO H-1Bs, thank Pan.
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Damn, I was hoping someone had made a Lemmy Enhancement Suite like RES
This is a reason I haven't quite heard yet. It really makes sense when you hear these tech fucks who claim everyone needs to work 80 hours and not join unions etc. Your H1s can't complain about anything due to not only losing their job, but their life here too.
Exactly. They want indentured laborers and if they had been smart enough to tell the other conservatives, the other conservatives would have gone along with it.
But they're not smart people.
The problem, i think, is that if they said that outright their workers might wise up and unionize or something.
They clearly weren't even smart enough to say it in private.
But then the whole pro-worker schtick wouldn't work and they might have lost the election.
This was always the unspoken convention between the business elites and the guys that railed against immigration and abortion. You can keep talking about it as long as you don't actually do anything about it. At some point the true believers just took over and thought they should pull the trigger on all those things.
It doesn't help that Democrats have no idea how to talk about this issue either. Banning H1B visas and forcing companies to sponsor for a full green card would probably be pretty popular with every constituency of the Democratic party (unions, liberals, recent immigrants, ...).
The same is probably true for Musk's obsession with Mars. When you own everything there including the transport back here you own the people there as well.
I'd take odds that his mars ambitions are not only what you said, but that he didn't even organically come up with the desire. I'd bet he just saw Total Recall in theaters and walked out and was like "yep, I wanna be the bad guy from that movie"
He's definitely trying to live out his favorite sci fi.
Musk is obsessed with Sci-fi. He even has a child named X that he raises gender-neutral following a weird sci-fi book to the letter.
BTW despite the gender-neutral child he completely freaked out about Xs transgender sister. Consistently is not necessary
There might be consistency in his logic if it's predicated on women being lesser than men. FtM would make sense to someone like that, but MtF would be absurd.
I think a lot of trans hate is really just a manifestation of misogyny.
Probably not wrong there. Some men seem to think all women are out to "trick" them into supporting them and their offspring (possibly not even the offspring of the man, gasp) and a lot of them think that trans are trying to "trick" them by pulling out a surprise dong when they hook up.
Given just what freaks Thiel and Vance are, I bet they not only want this, too, but probably want to go further:
https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas