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Summary

Mass graves uncovered in Syria after Bashar al-Assad’s overthrow reveal evidence of systematic atrocities, with over 100,000 people tortured and killed in what a top war crimes prosecutor described as the worst abuses “since the Nazis.”

Assad’s regime operated a “machinery of death,” involving mass disappearances, torture, and secret burials.

Rebel forces freed thousands of political prisoners, but many remain missing.

International efforts aim to document war crimes, though Assad, now in Russia, is unlikely to face trial.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 142 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Really? Nothing else since WWII has been this bad? I can think of three off the top of my head! Syria's neighbor is doing a holocaust right now. It's like they're pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.

[-] Hubi@feddit.org 99 points 3 weeks ago

There are 100.000 bodies in a single mass grave. And that is just one out of five. That's kinda in a league of its own.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago

Gaza is a mass grave at this point.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 47 points 3 weeks ago

It is, but not this big yet.

This is bigger than Gaza, not like the IDF is not trying to catch up.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Estimates are far higher than the official death toll - it's hard to count bodies buried under the rubble.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

Stop. Let the people of Syria be recognized for the horrors they lived through. Wtf is wrong with you?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

I will not allow Palestinians to be erased! Or any of the other mass murders of over 100,000 people! This disrespects every atrocity that has happened since the end of WWII, by saying those ones either aren't real or don't count.

[-] teije9 25 points 3 weeks ago

so because theres already a genocide no other genocides can exist? Yes, the Palestina genocide is bad, but that doesn't mean posting about any other genocide is hate towards Palestinians.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You don't get to say "the worst since WWII" when there were other genocides that compared or were worse since WWII. It's erasing history.

"Worst" is what I'm taking issue with.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, thanks for sharing the source of your feelings. Your actions are still to hijack any and everything to be a soapbox. If there's any single one thing that can take this space, it's another genocide in the middle east. Like dude, come on..

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Hijacking the statement of "the worst since the Nazis" to say "literally no wtf" 🙄

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

He literally didn't say that. You're mad over a quote that doesn't exist. He literally said "some of the worst." I have seen video footage on BlueSky of the prisoners as they were executed and it is quite disturbing. "Like a machine," to kill them en masse is pretty apropos of what I saw.

Do you think that's okay? Do you think that's NOT some of the worst mass murder to happen since WW2? If you think it's an acceptable amount of murder, why?

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 weeks ago

You mean the country that is claiming Syrian sovereign space like the Golan Heights for their illegal settlements since the 90s?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

And currently stealing even more land!

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 weeks ago

Well, now Syria is weakened from the revolution. That is the best time to go and steal some land!

[-] DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com 18 points 3 weeks ago

The Cambodian Genocide

The Cambodian genocide was the systematic persecution and killing of Cambodian citizens by the Khmer Rouge under the leadership of Prime Minister of Democratic Kampuchea, Pol Pot. It resulted in the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people from 1975 to 1979, nearly 25% of Cambodia's population in 1975 (c. 7.8 million) reducing the nation's life expectancy to a staggering 12 years in 1975.

[-] Reyali@lemm.ee 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You’re angry about a headline that abbreviates the actual story.

The very first paragraph of the article:

Mass graves uncovered in Syria in the days since President Bashar al-Assad wasoverthrown are exposing evidence of some of the worst abuses since the Nazis, a top international war crimes prosecutor said. [emphasis mine]

The article agrees with you. It’s only the headline that doesn’t.

This kind of anger and engagement at headlines is exactly what the media thrives off of. Don’t let them win by doing just that.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

They win by getting you to click on the article. 🙄

They don't get to smuggle lies into headlines and then clarify in the article. They should be held accountable for that kind of click bait.

[-] Reyali@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

So contact NBC with your concerns. Arguing with people who can’t change it just makes people who might otherwise agree with you frustrated with your point of view.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

How "whatabout" that.

Stop trying to shove this news under the carpet with your "I know worse but I won't tell you!!1!"

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm trying to point out that history didn't start and end in WWII, and pointing to something just as bad happening right now.

[-] perestroika@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's going to take some time (and digging) to find out.

However... events that unfolded in Cambodia will almost certainly have exceeded what is going to be discovered in Syria.

Most likely the same can be said about things that happened in Indonesia.

Events that continue to happen in North Korea may possibly exceed - once the place collapses and access becomes possible - which may take a century - what Bashar and his father managed to organize.

[-] prole 6 points 2 weeks ago

After thinking about it, I've realized why they always use Nazis as the measuring stick: it's the last event of this type that the majority of Americans are familiar with.

Which I think says quite a bit about the education level of our populace

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 6 points 3 weeks ago

Israel hasn't killed over 100,000 yet. Gaza is a lot smaller than Syria or Europe.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The official toll isn't over 100,000 (can't count people under the rubble) but estimates put it over 100,000 i.e. same order of magnitude. Gaza being smaller just makes these estimates even more horrifying.

But also, not just talking about Gaza. Lots of other atrocities have lead to mass death on this scale and larger.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

You must not know what the definition of "worst" means.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

I must not! I'm pretty sure "worst since the Nazis" means " nothing between now and then was worse". As far as I was aware, worst means worse than everything else.

Worse than Indonesia. Cambodia. Algeria. Iraq. Korea. Vietnam. Yugoslavia. Evidently no atrocities have happened since WWII! 🙄

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

It’s like they’re pretending that nothing bad has happened since the Nazis were defeated.

That's different from saying you think worse things happened.

Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension, buddy.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

If something is "the worst" then nothing worse happened, ergo, they're pretending that all the other worse things didn't happen. Evidently, the million people that were killed in Iraq and Indonesia just aren't as important.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If something is “the worst” then nothing worse happened

Yes. That's different from "nothing bad has happened."

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think we need to play Topp Trumps Genocide Edition. Can we just agree that it's horrific what Assad (and by extension, Putin) have been doing in Syria?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

No, we need to acknowledge that Assad is not the worst since WWII, otherwise we erase all the other atrocities that have happened.

Other genocides have happened. Worse genocides have happened. History didn't start and end in WWII.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 2 weeks ago

You do realise that saying "... it's not the worst that's happened" is also a form of erasure.

...but of course, you do.

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