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I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).

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[-] highduc@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

There was never any chance of Ukrainian victory. Russia is not that weak and everyone knew it from the start.

But arming ukrainians and sending them to die weakens Russia, so the US likes that. It's all a game, and none of it was ever in the interest of Ukraine nor its people.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] highduc@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I had a reply for a similar comment; trying to link it here, to avoid copy-pasting: https://lemmy.ml/post/23582488/15569369

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm sure you'll just dismiss this all as Western Imperialist propaganda since it disagrees with your worldview, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Kyiv_convoy#Three_day_war_plan

https://metro.co.uk/2023/02/24/putin-thought-he-could-capture-kyiv-in-three-days-leaked-docs-claim-18342384/

Of course, in public, Putin was much more pragmatic.

He said it would be two weeks.

https://time.com/3259699/putin-boast-kiev-2-weeks/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/putin-russian-forces-could-conquer-ukraine-capital-kiev-fortnight

So would you prefer, "Kyiv in two weeks?" I'll go with that. Exactly the same stupid idea.

[-] ManixT@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Seems to me that Ukraine still exists as a country and that wouldn't be the case if not for international support.

Are you hoping for a restoration of the Soviet Union? Any other countries on your list that don't deserve to exist?

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yet 3 years later Russia still has not completed its objectives, took its eye off Syria, and needs troops & ammo from North Korea.

[-] glassware@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

And all it took was 1,000,000 dead Ukrainians!

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You're blaming them for defending themselves???

[-] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Murdered by Russian. So tell me, in this peace of yours, who gets what and why?

[-] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Russia has a long and proud history of losing to "smaller, weaker " countries. Russo Japanese war, WW1, Polish Soviet war of 1919, the winter war, Afghanistan, Chechen war until they paid homage to the Kadyrovs. there's no reason to think there was never a chance at Ukrainian victory. Russia fumbles the bag plenty. But I get it. America bad so Russia stonk and good.

[-] highduc@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

America bad so Russia stonk and good.

I think this kinda reductionist bs abolishes any kind of discussion. What does this have to do with anything? Where did I say such things?

[-] caboose2006@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

But arming ukrainians and sending them to die weakens Russia, so the US likes that.

Right there. You said it right there And you're changing the subject. Russian victory was never a forgone conclusion. History has shown us that.

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