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[-] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 93 points 3 weeks ago

Took me a second to puzzle this out...

Just in case any of my fellow Europeans need an extra nudge in the right direction, this is relating to the guy who has been arrested for shooting the healthcare CEO, and nothing to do with people in Italy.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 46 points 3 weeks ago

You mean the innocent man they arrested on suspicion of shooting the healthcare CEO

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 22 points 3 weeks ago

You mean the good samaritan who shot the CEO.

[-] Asetru@feddit.org 15 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks. I was really wondering what this was about.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

well yeah, mediterraneans like Italians and Moroccans don't count as white in europe.

EDIT : People are thinking that this is being racist against people, wheras it's 60% satirical, 40% pointing out problematic perceptions of race.

EDIT2 : updated text and information :

https://lemmy.world/comment/13904300

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 47 points 3 weeks ago

"White" is not a category that is used a lot in Europe.

[-] bob_lemon@feddit.org 50 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly. The term we use to categorize Italians is "Italian".

[-] Sergio@slrpnk.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

I have Sicilian relatives who would debate that.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 21 points 3 weeks ago

That goes for pretty much anywhere in Italy

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

That they wouldn't want to be called Italian, or that that would debate you?

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

That still not "a lot" in European terms :)

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

France also borders the Mediterranean, so I don’t think you know what you’re talking about

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

So, the idea is more in the way race is actually percieved, and how unjust it is, and in the people who are usually regarded outside the "desirable" label try to fit into it, while only recieving partial recognition.

"European" is usually used to indicate positive aspects, and people from greater europe usually enjoy claiming that origin to label themselves with the positive aspects that come with it.

Although when you look at attitudes in europe, it's more fragmented and nuanced, with many additional barriers and classifications. For example, PIIGS :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics)

Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain (And Ireland) are accepted as european, but with the idea that they are not as deserving of the criteria due to economic troubles. This marks a cultural two tier european perception within europe, with places like Germany looking down on Spain or Italy. Astute readers may mark that all these countries (except ireland) are mediterranian, and racism against the Irish has its own history.

This also happens to eastern europe :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_enlargement_of_the_European_Union

Each wave coming with it's own conservative scaremongering of immigration (despite a lot of needed professionals of high quality and work ethic migrating from said countries) and racist BS. Thus, someone from Poland or Romania are seen as "european" but with a large asterisk.

When those people try to claim the "white" or "european" indicator to take advantage of the positive perception, it feels like they are trying to claim to be something that they are partially gatekept outside of.

Of course, there are noble aspects to people and zones all over the world. This is all silly and irritating and basically racist.

However, I personally find it stupid when people who are about to be marginalised try to claim in group status by the in group that doesn't 100% support them. They are trying to fit into the in group to further their own agenda, instead of advocating for a non in-group/out-group status.

Hence, the joke that Mediterranian countries like italy or morocco. Because the kinds of itallians that are trying to bust their ass to seem "white" would take offence to being painted with the same brush as "africans". They quickly forget that the Roman empire spread all over the middle east and north africa, and those parts currently seen as "undesirable" were a valid part of the empire.

this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2024
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