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America Stopped Cooking With Tallow for a Reason
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Yup. It's well studied which is why when someone has a heart attack the recommendation is essentially eliminating all saturated and trans fat. (See the DASH diet).
Basically, if the fat is solid at room temp, it's unhealthy.
That's a really fun rule of thumb
How solid we talking 🤔 wondering about bacon grease
If you leave bacon grease in the pan to cool down it solidifies, so it's a 'bad' source.
So your telling me I should be scooping out the contents that harden on top of the crock pot instead of letting them melt back into the pulled pork for flavor... Ugh. I'm lazy so I usually just want to put the pot in the fridge at night, then back on high when I get home, by the time everything else is done it's basically back to boiling.
Tbf unless you eat pulled pork daily I don't think it'll be a problem.
It's like that old saying ... "Everything in moderation".
I had to cut back on eggs. I have hens out back that I just let free roam but I hadnt been giving them away fast enough. So I hard boiled a couple dozen and was eating them throughout the day just as snacks to keep food costs low. After day twot I realized I needed to slow my intake. Just got to loop more people into my egg ring. Luckily people like free eggs right now.
Come spring I'll just put a thing down by the road so people can grab them when they drive by, but I do worry kids might have a field day with that lol
How many was too many?
I've got birds and while they've slowed laying I'm still eating 3-4 eggs a day and can't say I've noticed any ill effects
Too much!
this is not a reliable source
Why not?
he's a biased quack
He lists all his sources, what is your source for calling him that?
he still touts the china study.
And this is wrong? How?
Harriet Hall, writing for Science-Based Medicine, said that the book had references that do not support directly the claims made by the authors and that it did not explain the exceptions to his data, such as high rates of stomach cancer in China.
Stephan Guyenet reviewing the book for Red Pen Reviews commented that The China Study is a "scholarly and well-written book" but three of its key scientific claims are "not very well supported overall".
You discredit a webpage that cites all it's scientific sources and call Michael Greger a quak because two people think some aspects of a study he cites are inaccurate?! That's your argument? The study has pissed off the entire food industry, of course there are people who disagree with it. And even these two don't question the basic message: Whole food plant based diet is by far the best diet to heal our bodies and our planet. Is that his bias?
What are you fighting, Commie?
I'm fighting a people pushing agendas with bad science.
cherrypicking data to push an agenda isn't science.
What's the agenda?
selling books, I think.
Well, How Not To Die sold a lot of books, but he claims to give ALL book sales to charity and encourages readers to rent his books from libraries and to friends. Before his bestseller, he was on the road for years giving speeches, sleeping in his car. He doesn't sell any supplements, merchandise or snakeoil. This is not your typical behavior to get rich fast, is it?
Yeah he wants to spread a message, and this message is based on science. My public health insurance and even the states society for nutrition (Germany) shares the same recommendations by now, 10 years after How Not To Die was released. To me, he is more like the guy who discovered that leaded gasoline is highly harmful to humans and can't stop talking about it.
I didn't say he is trying to get rich fast
I think I made my point. Still not sure about yours. Maybe you're ... trolling?
I'm trying to make sure people aren't taken in by cherrypicked data masquerading as science.
Yeah, no...
You're no fighter for truth and justice here. You parrot Wikipedia, you cherrypick by citing only the two paragraphs from people who (don't even fully) disagree with him, you have obviously not read a single one of his books nor looked into the guys history. You don't reply to anything I said, you just repeat your false claim.
I told a guy who eats 3 eggs a day to not do it, linking a text which is completely backed by science. So please get out of the way, troll, you're slowing progress down.
given the labyrinthine website you linked it's hard to tell where the referenced papers are.
I'm only interested in the truth
calling me names doesn't change the truth
Isn't that just a measure of the melting point of different fats? And emulsions really muddle that line.
Emulsions are mixtures of fat and liquids, like caesar or greek dressings. They usually require high-speed blenders to do it. Frying bacon wouldn't be considered mixing.
That said there are chemicals that can aid emulsivication but I'm unsure if any are additives to bacon (like nitrates and flavorings are).
It's far from solid at room temp, not really liquid either. Hence the question.
Leave it for 4 or 5 hours and it'll be firm/hard.
Turn the skillet upside down like a Dairy Queen Blizzard. If you can do that with your fat, it's not healthy.
So I did this last night after your comment. This morning it's the consistency of yogurt. Maybe we have different definitions of "solid".
Fat in sold form isn't like a rock. Think of jello or Crisco - that's what solid fat looks like. So yeah, that gelatinous bacon grease? That's solidified fat at room temp.
Thanks handsome
So like mayonnaise which is generally an emulsion of olive oil?
An emulsion like mayonnaise is not a pure fat, though. It's a mixture of different fats (both saturated and poly-unsaturated) and water. The mixture is stabilized by emulsifying agents like lecithin that interact with both the fats and the water. When all theses ingredients are blended together with enough force they create an arrangement that is semi-solid at room temperature, yes. But you can't compare that fairly to a pure fat. If you try, you're missing the point.
That said, mayo is a great replacement for butter in some situations. Try spreading a little on bread before toasting it in a hot skillet.
Anything more solid than vegetable oil.
What about coconut oil? Or is that one of those weird ones where it depends?
Nope. Coconut oil is really high in saturated fat. It's bad. The fact that it went through a phase where people were considering it a "healthy" fat had actual nutritionists raging.
A little bit to thicken a Thai curry won't do much harm though. Just don't use it as your daily cooking fat.
Sure sure. As with anything, moderation is key. But for a while there all the "health" influencers were making it out to be a super healthy option and telling people to put it in practically everything.
Fair enough! That's really good to know. I'll stick to using it externally for my skin in the winter, unless there's better options out there and I've been misinformed about that too. Actually, I'm gonna go double check that right now
Not that great apparently