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Yup.
You can kiss Trump ever seeing consequences for his crimes goodbye.
Welcome to the new America.
Elections have consequences and Americans are simply too stupid to maintain a democracy. So we won't have one much longer.
Elections did have consequences. Going forward? Not likely
Trump didn't see any consequences in the old America either.
A couple of people gave it a shot.
Not happening at all, but the only hope for accountability is a massive blue wave in 2026 followed by an immediate impeachment. Even then that's just early retirement.
Yeah that's it, the third impeachment will definitely do it!
We are well and truly fucked.
So there is no hope.
I don't think that's it. Citizens of the USA don't care about Trump's felonies at all, that does not affect anyone's day to day life (except Trump). USA citizens are looking at bills and expenses that didn't get better with Biden, and Harris was essentially the same candidate. The hope is maybe Trump will try something different to help.
Biden and Harris did their utmost to dig America out of Trump's first term and the international shit pile of COVID. They were blocked at every turn by retardicans who didn't want them to accomplish anything, even right-wing agenda items like border control, because that might make even idiots like you take notice. Good luck with those lower bills though lol. Chump.
Yes, a majority of US citizens are dumb. The average American experienced 3 years of retaliatory price gouging that was mislabeled as “inflation.”
Why was there retaliatory price gouging? Punishment for not voting in Trump in 2020. Big business wants more de-regulation; so the next time the vote doesn’t go in their favor they can do it again.
What enables them to do it again? Republican policy.
We’re in a vicious cycle of stupid now, which again, was by design.
Yep. Retaliation against Americans and trying to get donvict reinstalled was a likely goal of the price-gouging.
I don't think the average citizen of the USA is dumb. People looked at what Biden did for the last few years and that didn't help them. The Harris campaign would have done better if they had taken more stances that were different from Biden. (I can say this confidently now that I know the results of the election, I wouldn't have said it a month ago.)
I also don't think there has been "retaliatory price gouging" as you say. The cost of production and distribution is always increasing, it's why there is inflation. I don't think you can find any actual evidence of price gouging because of Biden.
This is dumb. Thinking economic policy has immediate effects is dumb. Trump's good economy was largely a result of Obama's economic policy. The inflation during the Biden years was a result of Trump's economic policy and COVID. It takes years to dig out of that hole. Everyone knew (or maybe not, people are dumb) that COVID stimulus was going to be inflationary; it was just a gamble that it would be less painful than a more 2008 style financial crisis. The whole world was experiencing inflation and Trump's tax reform did not help the situation. Thinking tariffs will help fix the economy when the number one complaint is high prices is dumb.
Dumb US citizens believe that tariffs will lower prices, and that presidents can control prices.
As far as “evidence of price gouging” is concerned, I’m really not interested in this debate. The election is over so any evidence at this point is moot.
If you’re genuinely curious and aren’t convinced that a majority of US voters are dumb AF, read this, I’m sure they didn’t:
https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/
trRump isn't going to help anyone but himself.
I agree with that. Here's to hoping everything I thought I new about economics and government social programs was wrong.
!remindme in 1 year when the effects of mass deporting low income agriculture workers and slapping tariffs across the board kick in and people are hurting even worse. our big beefy boy will have done dick about it and people will revert back to hating him yet again.
the average American voter doesn't have the attention span to even remember covid or how Trump botched the response and helped kill a million Americans, much less the awareness to understand how badly the pandemic broke supply chains and thus the global economy, nor how the Biden admin still helped us fare better than the rest of the developed world in recovering from it.
not that that's the voters' fault. Dems did absolutely fuck all to raise awareness of that for the every man. instead, they barked at people saying the economy has recovered to all time highs (for CEOs), ignoring the actual plight of the working class.
I still don't understand why Kamela didn't run ads reminding people of how badly Trump fucked up Covid
they were too busy courting "moderates" by sprinting to the right and capitulating to Republicans' framing of the issues, a tried and true losing strategy
And now they're saying that Democrats were "Too leftist and too woke", but they did this shit. Gimme a break, it's a "Heads I win, Tails you lose" designed to make the Dems go further right
If by too leftist and too woke, they are saying that Democrats need to hit the identity politics a bit less, this is understandable.
Old school leftists have been saying this for a while. We need to protect at-risk groups, of course. But we cannot abandon the populism and we need to stop ignoring the class warfare (being conducted on the poor and middle class). It really is the economy.
If anyone is saying they were too leftist, as in the way it used to mean, there is no way the campaign went "too leftist".
Are you referring specifically to this cycle, or Democrats in the past in a more general sense?
I don't recall ever having heard Kamala bring up her race or gender. When asked about it directly in an interview, she said it's no secret she's a woman of color but never really followed up on it.
I do remember her talking a lot about her experience growing up in a middle class family or becoming a prosecutor, but does that really count as identity politics?
In general, and more recently. Yes, Kamala thread the needle quite well, I thought. One of the best examples is as you say - not taking the bait, but also selecting Walz.
It goes mostly beyond Democrats, TBH. There is a cultural thing going on right now, and honestly, I cannot help but wonder if it is part of the oligarchy's strategy to specifically annoy and turn off a lot of people - meaning, some people just want escapism in their entertainment, and instead, they are often getting sanctimonious messaging that is so ham-fisted as to break the fourth wall. If they aren't doing this on purpose with the intent of making more Republicans, they should know they are not really winning hearts and minds by seemingly going out of their way to try to ruin every single intellectual property with this stuff. Their attitude, even if they are losing literally millions of dollars in the process, seems to be to raise their middle finger to the fans. The people getting annoyed by this are not all racists, or misogynists or transphobic...but they might start voting with that bunch for the likes of donvict as a result.
So, a lot of this is entirely beyond the Democratic Party's control, but I think they'd be better off if they made it clear they are for EVERYONE while distancing themselves from more sanctimonious messaging that looks like it is just engaging in blaming cishet white men for existing.
People struggling to make ends meet might just be getting tired of the culture lecturing on how "too many white men are being centered" in fictional narratives when they just want some escapism to escape from the miserable lives Republicans are making for them, and if they think the Democrats are here to pound the same message in, they are going to tune out.
I agree, I don't think Trump's economic plans will be for people's benefits. If he actually cuts the programs he has said he would it should reduce federal spending and then federal income tax. But I am of the opinion that the amount I would get back in tax savings does not outweigh the benefit of making sure myself and other citizens have access to these programs. But maybe I'm wrong.
I believe you can trust your intuition on this one. Assuming he is successful in doing what he promises (which, with Trump, you can never trust anything he says but always have to assume the worst), erasing a century's worth of progress in the administrative state will have disastrous consequences for the most vulnerable members of society who rely on entitlement programs to make ends meet during these late stages of neoliberalism (as one example, but there are others, like the FDA and EPA). but all these cuts will take a few points off the bottom line for the ultra rich, so let the apologists and propagandists sing about how great it will be when that all trickles down (it never does).
I'm thinking donvict will have the long-term effect of reversing the decades-long downward trend of crime.
Why?
It's almost like the qons don't really care about America at all. Seemingly, it's designed for rich broligarchs to stay ensconced in their compounds and gated communities, make more money and throw everyone else to the wolves. They clearly don't give a rat's ass about the people that live in this country that are not billionaires.
Relevant username is relevant.