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[-] MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml 109 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, I guess if someone calls and says you have kidnapped a little girl and that they have seen you with a gun, the police can't take a chance that it's hoax. All phone numbers that call the police should be logged and if it turns out to be a hoax, traced, so people who make hoax calls can be arrested and prosecuted.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

If they enter his home, and there is no evidence of a crime, then what is the basis for the arrest?
One thing is to investigate the truth of a call, another is to act on it as if it's verbatim truth.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 67 points 2 months ago

Usually swat teams break a lot of your shit, maybe kill a baby, and then leave without arresting you.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 months ago

Don’t need to arrest the suspect if they’re dead taps forehead

[-] Gerudo@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago

Oh AND leave you with the bill

[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Or toss a flash bang in the crib.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 13 points 2 months ago

After breaking down the wrong door

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

Was he arrested? I don't see follow up. It only says he was handcuffed which would be standard until they know what's going on.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

OK, here it's the other way around, you don't normally handcuff somebody unless they are arrested.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago

You get handcuffed as a precaution. You do not have to be arrested. You can het handcuffed on a traffic stop if the officer decides they have cause to search your car. Etc.

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Some cops will go a step further and shoot you first; as a precaution, of course.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 months ago

Or your dog. Safety first!

[-] Nurgus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just because handcuffung is normal in the USA, that doesnt make it normal or sensible. No one gets cuffed in a normal traffic stop or house visit in the UK for example.

[-] tpihkal@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Being detained while an investigation is conducted is not being arrested.

[-] sugartits@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Factually inaccurate.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

In the US, the cops need RAS to handcuff you. The standard was never and is not "until they know what's going on". And RAS depends on the current cop knowledge. Even if they had legal grounds to break into your place, what they see in the next ten seconds is still relevant. For example, if someone said you attacked them with a knife, when the cops see no victim, knife, or blood, their legal authority ceases.

Of course it's all highly dependent on specific details.

(On traffic stops, often they already have RAS. That's why they pulled you over. So don't be fooled by other comments about that topic.)

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

"Law enforcement officers typically have fairly broad leeway to place someone in handcuffs during an interaction if they believe that it’s necessary to protect themselves from harm. In those cases, they can do so even if the person being handcuffed hasn’t been arrested."

"When a search warrant is being executed"

https://www.northernillinoislegalteam.com/blog/2021/04/when-do-police-have-the-right-to-handcuff-a-person/

Handcuffs do not mean an arrest.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This is in Germany, idk what laws in the US have to do with this

[-] freewheel@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

It's not technically an arrest. In a high-stakes call, the police will typically detain everybody until they can figure out what's going on. That means potential victims as well as potential attackers. It's a safety measure.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

In the US, the 4th Amendment says that's unconstitutional. Fortunately. Too many dirty pigs out there.

[-] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 2 months ago

They are logged, but swatting people get around it. They are suspicious “looking” calls, but so are bomb threats.

Swatting is pretty much always a blocked number to a non-emergency line. If they are traced it is typically one of those free online voip services. It takes work and access to really get from A to B, which is why it only happens when there are awful results.

In the US at least, 911 gets special access and calling it will always get you to your local dispatch (unless you have voip with the wrong account address). Non-emergency is just a normal phone number. If someone wants to call from out of the area or hide their number, non-emergency is how they have to do it. This is suspicious because in a real situation like “I just shot my dad” or whatever they say, nobody is taking time to look up non-emergency.

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