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He's still doing genocide y'all.
He's not doing genocide, depending on your viewpoint he might not be doing enough to stop it up to abetting genocide but he's not Netanyahu. Stick to the facts and don't pretend Israel doesn't have agency.
This is one of our resident MAGA propagandists, so they will not be doing anything of the sort. It's questionable if they are even able to do anything of the sort.
It's really nice that people on Lemmy are finally picking up on this.
Biden isn't running for President, it's okay to criticize him.
This "if you're not with us you're with the enemy" shit is gross.
Wow. Said without a single hint of irony or self-awareness.
He's directly supplying the genocide. Israel would have run out of bombs by now.
Israel is one of the largest exporters of military equipment in the world, they wouldn't have run out of bombs by now.
Israeli officials are complaining about running out of tank shells, artillery shells, bombs, and ammo. They aren't exporting anything right now and they can't afford to, this slaughter is sucking up their entire industrial capacity.
Ok, and it'll be genocide here and there under Trump. Until you can provide a solution, stop whinging about the choices that are forced on us.
Silence is support and I am not a genocide supporter. The least you could do is fucking speak out.
Biden isn't even running for president. How the fuck does it matter if I point out he's an evil piece of shit?
You do not have to like it or support it, but the option you are presenting gives you no control.
If you want to sit out in the rain and complain about the rain, that's your lookout. I will take the action that is most likely to possibly lead to less genocide.
By that I mean voting in people who are at least pretending to listen to my desires. Even if in the short term it doesn't solve the problem.
Genocide isn't the weather. It's being done by people and that means we can fucking stop it.
You have to speak out if you want genocide to stop or it will never end. Israel will kill and kill until all 2.2 million people in Gaza are exterminated, and in the meantime they're going to start fucking World War Three and drag us down with them.
You've completely given up on changing anything until next year, haven't you? Holy shit.
What you're doing is the same as the weather. "I hate this! I will become ungovernable until someone fixes this! Blah blah whine!"
What do you propose then? Because aside from direct action that is dubiously legal, I am doing what I can. I await your genius plan to stop what's happening in Gaza. I'm sure you'll have it any day now.
Edit: unless this is your plan. I wish you luck with "be surly on lemmy."
It's the strategy of contention. Being "ungovernable" pressures the government, there's a toolbox of available mechanisms for doing this and one of those tools is your voice! You need to speak out at every opportunity and make it very clear that you oppose the genocide. It costs you nothing besides your internet points.
Don't doubt that politics of contention are half the reason Biden was forced out of the race! People opposed him as the nominee and donors knew this, so they pressured him to drop out. Granted, they claim the only reason was because he was too old (and he is) but don't doubt that the uncommitted movement helped to push him out of the race.
Direct action gets the goods, but it's not the only thing you can do. You can always always raise your voice in opposition.
You aren't going to help Trump by attacking Biden. It's okay.
So, be surly on Lemmy. Good luck!
Don't worry, they'll be cheerleading fascism everywhere they can on here.
You're right, no one should post anything on the internet.
I'm not right. But you will get far more traction if you post more than "lol Adolph Biden lol."
That's not discussion or helpful. We are aware.
Holy fucking shit I've posted so much in this thread, what the fuck? I could write an essay with all this shit.
Ah, and there it finally is.
Liberals advocating for genocide, again.
Ah yes the veritable core of liberal thought, the extermination of brown people. It's a shame the left can't find anything else to talk about, like health care for all, taxing the rich, curbing pollution and ~~anthropomorphic~~ anthropogenic runaway global heating etc. etc. Nope, it's just kill kill kill.
You should put a /s at the end, the moron you are replying to probably doesn't understand your sarcasm.
This is whataboutism
Whataboutism is when my biases are revealed and I have no strong arguments.
"Please post about this issue in a different thread so I can conveniently ignore it. I might even down downvote it so it doesn't get any traction, but don't ever bring this topic up when we're circlejerking our beloved president who's funding a genocide"
Showing how weak your arguments are against funding a genocide is not the flex you think it is.
Pointing out hypocrisy isn't whataboutism. Whataboutism would be distracting from the issue with something unrelated.
But aiding and abetting a genocide is, in fact, racist. I have to point that out because no one seems to care anymore.
I think your comment is being interpreted as "Biden supports Israel, so vote Red." However, you're likely just pointing out the flaws in Biden.
Perhaps you should include the intent of your comment so people do not misunderstand your goal.
Keep in mind that we operate in a FPTP voting system that favors two parties, thus many people will assume criticism of a candidate is a tacit endorsement of the opposition.
The left has enough trouble fighting amongst themselves that people are sick of the lack of cohesive strategy.
Ok, that’s fair enough. Just goes to show that the KKK doesn’t have the kind of lobbying power Israel does.
Ikr, he just murdered trump and he’s what? 100?
Oh wow! The pot called the kettle black! 😲
Do you care at all about genocide? Biden isn't even running for president, you can talk shit about him and it won't help Trump at all.
Yet you still support him and his genocide. 🤔
Oh yeah, obviously everyone in this thread is directly endorsing Palestinian genocide because we are agreeing with Biden about the racists in our country being emboldened by Trump.
Anyone attacking me for pointing out the fact that Biden is doing genocide is, in fact, endorsing the genocide.
Biden is not running for President. You don't need to protect him anymore to stop Trump. So, speak out!
If you won't speak out, even when attacking Biden has zero impact on the race, you are literally a genocide supporter.
No the fuck they are not and your bullshit take on this is not helping the Palestinian cause in the slightest. I'm not even attacking you, I'm disagreeing, which is a huge difference, but one that requires understanding of nuance and the fact that the world is not black and white.
Lol. You throw out logical fallacies, then immediately play martyr. It's just too good.
Wow, holy shit this is hilarious. Liberals are projecting so hard, and they think they’re the ones in the right for saying this manipulative bullshit.
Incredible. It’s just too good.
We’re going to remember you collaborators.
Do you care about genocide? You don't make it look like you do. Because most people take genocide seriously and don't just throw around accusations about random strangers. And they understand the real barriers there are to reducing and stopping it, and who bears the most responsibility for those barriers, and who is simply forced to bow down to them.
This kind of provocative rhetoric is harmful if you actually want to stop it. You're getting bombed by downvotes not because what you're saying, but because the way you're bringing it, even people that want to stop genocide consider you to be a negative impact on how we actually reduce it. Think about that for a moment.
You're undermining your own cause, and it's hard to differentiate you from someone who wants to muddy the water so we don't discuss atrocities in good faith at all.
This poster absolutely does not care. They're just using it to make themselves feel better than everyone else. It's been this way for months.
Joe fucking Biden is responsible for this genocide, he is one of the only people that can stop it if he wanted. His unlimited support in tens of billions of dollars of weapons and his protective stance against anyone in the region attempting to defend Palestinians are the only reason this genocide can happen. Without the US Israel would be unable to carry out this genocide.
Why the fuck are people defending him still? He's not running for President, it's okay to hate him! It's okay to speak out! You aren't helping Trump! Please please p lease stop, you don't have to do this anymore. Please. Stop defending him.
They are not defending him, they just disagree with your view specifically that he is personally responsible for this and you are conflating that to be defending him. You are perhaps not technically wrong that Joe can just end this, but Joe Biden doesn't exist in a vacuum, and neither does the war in Gaza. The US dropping Israel like a brick might do more harm than good on the long term:
Kamala could align her position more with the people once she's in office. And if future elections produce a more reasonable candidate on the other side (lol), you could actually punish them for it with your vote if they don't. But right now, supporting Israel is what is seemingly the safest option for a candidate. The fact that is the answer they settled on shows there are underlying reasons that out-weigh just dropping Israel, and if you want to make an actual change, those underlying reasons are the ones you have to put to rest before things can change. Or... you can refuse to look at actual solutions, and just accuse people because they don't believe in your absolutist stance which has a near zero chance to actually change anything.
You should be trying to change minds so that the pressure from people might actually make them reconsider their options. And by calling people who don't immediately agree with you as being pro genocide, they're going to equate being anti genocide with your position, and they're going to see anyone holding the position as being naive. Even though it clearly isn't, but you've wasted the first impression they could have had to change their mind. It will not make people who don't yet understand the issue side with you to actually make a change. Now every attempt after that is going to be harder and harder. And so their stance remains ever in the direction of supporting Isreal. And leadership will once more have to appeal to that side.
So would trump. I hope the high from your farts equals the high ground you feel like you have.
Trump isn't running against Biden.
And what outcome do you have from voting that isn't genocide? You either have implicitly helping genocide through weapons or explicitly helping by backing Israel no matter what and getting US troops involved. And not voting is just helping the latter side. It sucks and we definitely need to protest more and apply pressure how we can but there aren't really that many choices for us through voting.
No one is voting for Biden! He's not running for President!
You are free to speak out against him now, don't you get it?
I was also free to speak out against him before and did, but that didn't change that I was gonna vote for him even though I have some problems with him. And the same applies to Kamala as well, who at least on Palestine and Israel seems to have the same exact position as Biden.
This the is the USA brother. Genocide is our game. We gotta get the right people in charge to change that. And Trump is definitely not anti genocide.
If you just want me to say fuck Joe Biden then sure I'm not married to the man. I wish he had more balls to take these public stances earlier than right before an election.
It's not just the people in charge! Every one of us has a responsibility to speak out, our voices matter.
I'm so fucking devastated that people are still defending him. All I can assume is they love genocide.
Even if what you say about the Dems weren't misleading, what's our other option?
Is your Lord, Savior, convicted felon, and proven rapist and pedipholile Donald Trump a friend to the Palestinian people?
Protest, strikes, boycotts, mass demonstration, and voicing your dissent however you can.
Do not be silent. You are not helpless.