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Amid global criticism, Israel names 19 it says it killed in terror HQ at Gaza school
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Does that mean that if Likud has a headquarters near some civilian installation, that it's okay to blow it up and the civilians along with it?
(Not that I necessarily believe that Hamas had a command center next to all of the children, but even if they did, I don't think that automatically means that blowing up all the children in the school becomes okay)
If you want to apply the same ratios the IDF uses when it comes to civilian casualties, Hamas comes out way better on Oct 7. The majority of the hostages and victims were IDF personnel.
Where did you get that information?
Wikipedia: 1,180 killed[18][c][d] 797 civilians,[e] including 36 children[f] 379 security forces[19]
For sources cited (they are legit), see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel
Basically, the unacceptable and disgusting Hamas terror attack had a 32% legitimate targets to total hits ratio
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Or you can say that for every 1 legitimate target they also killed 2 illegitimate ones.
That of course does not mean that killing of legitimate targets cannot be a war crime (eg when they surrender).
But for the IDF to not be comparable to an abominable terror group, the ratios should be much different. And if we are to accept the "most moral army" thing, the ratio should be radically different (angel vs devil comparison).
Is it?
That's...Hamas doctrine. They use civilians as human shields to avoid western attacks. Israel is notably different in their approach where they have basically decided to ignore human shield attempts in order to more effectively counter Hamas. Arguably, if it never works and Hamas fighters get killed anyway, Hamas might stop doing it because being amongst civilians means there are a lot of people who can inform on where Hamas militants are and what they're doing. I suspect most civilians there support Hamas though, so it probably won't change Hamas doctrine.
In Afghanistan by contrast, the US worked with various tribal elders who didn't support al-Qaeda. This information allowed US forces to counter human shield tactics in those areas and fighters increasingly moved out to the remote regions so civilians couldn't inform the US where they were.
It's israel who's been using palestinian as humanshield with videos to prove it
Well, Hamas kidnapped several hundred civilians from a music festival to use as hostages before Israel militarily invaded Gaza. Or is that fake news?
Two whole groups of people can be bad at the same time
Hamas is horrifying villains, and Israel’s government and military are horrifying villains. There is room for all
The west bank is illegally occupied that mean every single west banker arrested by israel was kidnapped. We also know how palestinian prisoners are treated.
Like that didn't have historical context. Genocide already occurring next to a damn music festival.
You can tell this guy would rape Palestinian prisoners if he could.
The one time the UN looked in detail into this theory, it turned out it was crap. Hamas and civilians are sometimes next to each other just because they all live in Palestine, but the claimed thing where they would deliberately gather up some civilians and have them stand next to their installation, as if this would deter the Israelis or as if there was any shortage of non-artificial civilian casualties and so it was useful on any level to create some artificially, was it turned out a bunch of hooey.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israeli-armys-use-palestinian-civilians-human-shields-has-been-documented-large-scale
Israel are a terrorist state.
You are gross because you repeat the same broken record. Hamas is using human shield, which is not true, and even then justifying murdering of children and deflecting the reality that the goal is a genocide of Palestinian youth !
The Likud isn't a military organization, that's the IDF job. So.... No.
Neither were the churches. Or the hospitals. Or the UN facilities. Or the Schools. Or the desalination plant. Or the tents filled with refugees. Or the graves of Australian soldiers. Or Palestinian civilians. Or the greenhouses.
Do you understand?