Sounds like everything's fine and we can leave it there.

They limit plenty of other things.

Legitimizing that system is nope. At least refuse to vote for anyone affiliated with either party

Fight me.

I don't actually have a strong opinion on this, or really like fighting, but engagement.

Shouldn't be. Will be.

I think revenge only has value as revenge if it comes from the victim.

'Evil' is kinda stupid

And 'removing' is what you so when you can't fix. Like, don't replace if you can recycle. If youre just murdering everyone who you don't like, I think that's bad.

They want up front street viole!ce and glorious dead in pretty dressed up funerals.

Don't give it to them, but don't be peaceful either

Take them alive. Make what's done to them very visible humiliate them. Maim them. Give them something to be afraid of. Or give them a nice hot meal and negotiate for prisoners to be released, for withdrawal from cities, for total police disarming, for fucking whatever.

Seems like cop behavior to me.

I didnt say he wouldn't make other problems.

I think the value of punishment is in empowering the victim or making an example.

The value to the victim in punishment is in reclaiming agency. If the state punishes someone, the victim gets nothing. It's a waste. Maybe less than a waste; the opportunity for personal revenge for a personal wrong is lost.

Some things will not be deterred by consequences, imposed or otherwise, and the victim can't/won't take agency from revenge, so punishing them is absurd.

Sometimes you just need a fucker gone. Nazis and stuff. It's not about punishment, unless you're trying to deter. It's about not having that in the world and being unable or unwilling to spend the resources to fix the problem in a more wholesome way.

Even then, is the value worth the cost? The mechanisms of organized punishment and deprivation existing? The culture of interpersonal violence? Generally no. But the discourse about 'crime' ignores literally fucking all of this.

No but that would be communism and that's bad.

So what can we do to fix the problem without taking thr landlord dick out of our mouths?

He would fix our landlord problem if we let him.