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[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 132 points 7 months ago

In reality, far from stopping the far right, Germany is implementing a far right agenda. Increase police authority? Check. Scapegoat immigrants and other marginalized groups? Check. Build up the military? Check. Suppress protests and dissenters? Check. Impose austerity, providing the fertile ground for fascists? Check.

By the time the AfD comes to power, they won't have to do anything. The liberals (including socdems and greens) will already have created a fascist society.

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 55 points 7 months ago

The same is happening to France. As you said, they'll have a field day when (at this point it's not if, it's when) they get to power.
Gotta love neoliberalism...

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The Netherlands will very likely have a right wing government and will be heading down the same path. Same with Italy, Sweden, Denmark.

With the next European election this year the right wing parties in the European Parliament will gain a lot of traction.

We could be heading down the American path and lose a lot or the progress we made over the last 2 decades.

I will be a father in a couple or hours. Between the right taking to power and accelerating climate change i am just so fucking worried in what kind of world my kids will grow up.

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[-] EtzBetz@feddit.de 17 points 7 months ago

Are you living in a different Germany than me? There are sadly things going on to make immigration harder. But other than that, things are okay.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago

Make immigration harder??? Nice euphemism for this fascist shit. They're throwing human rights out of the window. They're literally putting migrants into concentration camps, if they're don't drown first thanks to Frontex pushbacks. Greens defended this so-called compromise to their base while fascist Meloni was giving victory speeches.

"Endlich im großen Stil abschieben" (Scholz). I can't tell the difference an NPD slogan and the SPD chancellor.

And for the other shit, there's some extra police authority or surveillance law proposed every other month or so. Pro-palestine protests are criminalized and they're threatening Muslims with deportation for not being loyal enough to Israel. All the parties are discussing what sort of services they can cut so they have more money for the military. Real wages are shrinking. You can't open a newspaper without reading about how Germany needs to prepare for war. Things are not okay.

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[-] _Cid_@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

These are a lot of statements without sources. Also most people would disagree with the statement that a government that includes social democrats and greens is implementing a "far right agenda".

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

Fucking Scholz said he wanted to "finally deport in a big way" ("endlich im großen Stil abschieben"). This is (well used to be) a far right agenda. They're sending weapons to Israeli fascists while they commit genocide, and defend them at every opportunity. These people support fascists and fascist policies.

What exactly do you even dispute is untrue about what I said?

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[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 7 months ago

Build up the military?

Any source on that? We do not have a military right now. Wouldn't be bad if we wanted to defend ourselves against Putin.

[-] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago

Yeah yeah, I remember all that shit from back in the day. Die Russen kommen! Die Russen kommen! Oldest trick in the book.

Natürlich, das einfache Volk will keinen Krieg […] Aber schließlich sind es die Führer eines Landes, die die Politik bestimmen, und es ist immer leicht, das Volk zum Mitmachen zu bringen, ob es sich nun um eine Demokratie, eine faschistische Diktatur, um ein Parlament oder eine kommunistische Diktatur handelt. […] Das ist ganz einfach. Man braucht nichts zu tun, als dem Volk zu sagen, es würde angegriffen, und den Pazifisten ihren Mangel an Patriotismus vorzuwerfen und zu behaupten, sie brächten das Land in Gefahr. Diese Methode funktioniert in jedem Land. -- Hermann Göring

Also, I love that you want a source for something that was a top news story for months. You somehow heard, dass die Russen kommen!!! but not the Sondervermögen? You're just fucking with me, aren't you?

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 56 points 7 months ago

Do liberals have a theory for why fascism is sprouting up around the world?
Because Marxists are like seen-this-one https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Fascism

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 44 points 7 months ago

It's tough to be critical of "liberalism" when everyone has a different idea of what it means. It might help to specify "economic liberalism".

Along with it's deep flaws, Liberalism is also associated with things like the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, LGBT+ rights, etc. Conservatives also muddy the waters by blaming these things for economic hardship.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Liberalism has a definition, which Marxists have never forgotten, though thanks to two red scares and a cold war, others have forgotten. Now in Orwellian fashion, “liberalism” and “socialism” are floating signifiers, so we have liberals like Sanders calling themselves socialists despite never calling for the abolition of private ownership of the means of production.

Slavery did end under liberalism, but then again liberalism started it.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Almost nobody knows the academic definitions of most political ideologies, they're just all cable news buzzwords now. If you took a sample of the population I'd be surprised if even 5% could give you the correct academic definitions for the vast majority of political ideology terms.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

These weren’t egghead concepts back when we had a labor movement large enough to support a labor press.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 7 months ago

So that's the change you want to see in the world. Technical linguistic grammar takes precedence over political outreach.

I fully support your desire to spread vocabular competence. My impression from your first post was that you had other priorities.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago

Overthrowing liberalism/capitalism and stopping fascism requires mass organization and class consciousness, part of which is often understanding these basic concepts. And people did. They have to again.

These weren’t egghead concepts back when we had a labor movement large enough to support a labor press.

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[-] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Despite the erasure of the words’ meanings in the public consciousness, the concepts still exist.

If you have new, sexier names for the concepts which will accelerate their reintroduction into the public consciousness, I’m all ears.

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[-] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lol I'm sure Prolewiki is an unbiased source that the majority of people would agree with on the definitions of words. /s

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

Where did he say that the majority of people agree with this definition?

Well, the majority of workers in the US probably did, until the labor movements were crushed in the 60s and 70s

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[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 10 points 7 months ago

Liberalism is also associated with things like the abolition of slavery, universal suffrage, LGBT+ rights

Communists had to pry these concessions from liberalism with organized violence, don't pretend like liberalism did these things.

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[-] Dra@lemmy.zip 29 points 7 months ago

Let's see if any Lemmy users are able to correctly identify why this is happening. Bonus points for American-Style ignorance

[-] Aggravationstation@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Hitler 2: Facist Bugaloo?

[-] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago
[-] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

1930 something.

[-] nekandro@lemmy.ml 18 points 7 months ago

Today, German lawmakers are rewriting bylaws and pushing for constitutional amendments to ensure courts and state parliaments can provide checks against a future, more powerful AfD. Some have even launched a campaign to ban the AfD altogether.

You see, democracy is when...

[-] Downcount@lemmy.world 91 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'll help you with this sentence:

... it defends itself against an undemocratic power.

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[-] Catoblepas 40 points 7 months ago

Are you surprised that the country that ushered the Nazis into power is more vigilant about making sure they never head remotely in that direction again?

Even the party’s leader resigned in 2022 because he saw that the party was becoming more totalitarian and incompatible with German democracy.

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 17 points 7 months ago

You see, we call it Wehrhafte Demokratie. According to Wikipedia this can be translated as battlesome democracy, though I find that clunky.

The entire idea of our constitution is to keep a democracy, we even have a constitutional right to disobedience, if democracy is threatened.

The constitution is deliberately very open, but there's one thing that's non-negotiable: FDGO, liberal-democratic basic order. If you're operating outside of that, you're not supposed to be part of the political landscape.

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

L take. AES countries which are actual democracies do the same thing.

Though of course, banning it isn't gonna go anywhere for Germany unless they tackle the root cause of capitalism.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Germans have already had a front-row seat to the rise of so-called illiberal democrats in Poland and Hungary who used their power to stack courts with pliant judges and silence independent media.

Today, German lawmakers are rewriting bylaws and pushing for constitutional amendments to ensure courts and state parliaments can provide checks against a future, more powerful AfD.

But every remedy holds its own dangers, leaving German politicians threading a course between safeguarding their democracy and the possibility of unwittingly providing the AfD with tools it could someday use to hobble it.

Hesse’s rival mainstream parties came together to pass a “democracy package,” rewriting several parliamentary rules, including one that effectively blocked the AfD from the intelligence committee.

In the eastern state of Thuringia, mainstream lawmakers also wanted to block the AfD from their intelligence committee, and initially agreed to put their differences aside and vote for each other’s candidates.

Some measures under discussion would give law enforcement and domestic intelligence agencies more latitude, never an easy step in a country that experienced both Fascism and Communism in the last century.


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