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Discourse is adding ActivityPub support, and requesting feedback on their lemmy-inspired proposed spec for how it will work (meta.discourse.org)
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[-] 0x1C3B00DA@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago

Not only is it exciting that they're adding ActivityPub support, but its great that they're basing their implementation off of Lemmy. Up til now, most implementations have been from scratch and implement federation after the project has gotten up and running and then do federation testing. That leads to different assumptions about models/flows and inconsistencies and hacks to get it working. Working off of another implementation's federation guide will mean less hacks but still leave room for impl-specific features and workflows.

[-] mcdanlj@social.makerforums.info 14 points 2 years ago

@cypherpunks I see some acid comments there, but I'm really glad to see this happening! I'm definitely not up to writing something like this from scratch, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that I could contribute improvements later.

Being able to follow my own discourse instances from mastodon and boost then directly will be an awesome start. And there's lots of room to grow the integration over time.

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago

I agree. While the initial implementation proposal is hardly better than an RSS feed bot on Mastodon, it does lay the groundwork for true ActivityPub federation it seems. Discourse is a large complex software; Federation will not happen over night.

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

omg, that's huge, right?

[-] Hyolobrika@berserker.town 6 points 2 years ago

@cypherpunks
>Any action related to the post in Mastodon does not appear in Discourse.
>Any action related to the post in Discourse does not appear in Mastodon.
What's the point then?

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

IIUC, for now, it will just be that Mastodon users can follow a category on a Discord site, which means that they will see when new topics (threads) are created there (along with an excerpt of the initial post in each topic).

[-] Hyolobrika@berserker.town 4 points 2 years ago

@cypherpunks So, no different from RSS or Atom?

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

basically, yeah. but mastodon can't subscribe to rss/atom feeds, so (butterfly meme) is this... progress? 🤷

[-] Hyolobrika@berserker.town 3 points 2 years ago

@cypherpunks yet. Apparently OStatus could import them natively or something

[-] Hyolobrika@berserker.town 2 points 2 years ago

@cypherpunks why do you need them in Mastodon anyway? Just use a feed reader

[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I'd be more interested in connecting lemmy with discourse, as it's a more natural fit, and I'm assuming easier too since they're partially copying lemmy's approach.

[-] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I'm mostly interested in discourse communities being able to communicate with one another.

[-] Moon@shitposter.club 2 points 2 years ago

@Hyolobrika @cypherpunks fediverse isn't solely for microblogging and forum posts aren't that

[-] Hyolobrika@berserker.town 2 points 2 years ago

@Moon @cypherpunks "isn't" or "is"? Because it isn't, but I can't make sense of your post otherwise.

[-] Moon@shitposter.club 0 points 2 years ago

@Hyolobrika @cypherpunks sorry if my post was confusing. what i mean is that the fediverse can have many types of activities on it, and some of those types are not relevant to display on a microblogging platform like mastodon.

[-] Hyolobrika@berserker.town 2 points 2 years ago

@Moon @cypherpunks That makes sense I suppose. So I guess it's just for Discourse-to-Discourse (or Lemmy) federation. Doesn't seem from a quick skim to mention that though.

[-] Moon@shitposter.club 1 points 2 years ago

@Hyolobrika @cypherpunks forum-to-forum seems reasonable, if it was literally only discourse-to-discourse it would feel like a waste.

[-] Hyolobrika@berserker.town 2 points 2 years ago

@Moon @cypherpunks that's what I meant

[-] olavf@spacey.space 4 points 2 years ago

@cypherpunks it's pretty limited, but that's logical when the aim is to get people into the garden. I expect this to be a fairly common thing moving forward.

Medium is taking more of a hybrid tack, but I could see Tumblr moving this direction when they fully announce their plans.

(I'm not saying it's bad ~ websites gotta traffic or there's no point)

[-] stevelord@bladerunner.social 4 points 2 years ago

@cypherpunks looks like embrace, extend, extinguish

[-] farshidhakimy@chaos.social 3 points 2 years ago

@stevelord @cypherpunks discourse is open source. In fact, many open source projects actually use it as a forum-software

[-] stevelord@bladerunner.social 3 points 2 years ago

@farshidhakimy @cypherpunks That has absolutely no bearing on anything. "They do the bare minimum to not be like everyone else" is not the panacea you think it is. Read the thread. The integration is one-way.

[-] aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Note that Support for incoming content (e.g. posts on Mastodon etc being imported into Discourse) is intentionally excluded. It will be possible to add this in a later version.

Support for following users (as opposed to categories) is also intentionally excluded.

Sees an excerpt of the first post of all FDC topics (posted after they subscribe) in their Mastodon feed, each with a link back to the associated topic, e.g. “Discuss on our forum”.

Any action related to the post in Mastodon does not appear in Discourse.

Any action related to the post in Discourse does not appear in Mastodon.

Oh. So it's Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish.

No thanks.

this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2023
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