People were shitty monsters before capitalism, and after too. People have been people regardless of economic system.
"Humanity is a disease" is not the same statement as "humanity is capable of committing atrocities" though. The latter leaves the door open for a "but", while the former makes humanity itself a systemic problem but refuses or "forgets" to pin the blame on anyone or any system.
Such statements devolve the conversation into defeatist pseudo-nihilism, where a "true nihilist" knows that the betterment of humanity will have to come from within.
I do agree that capitalism is not the root of all evil, but it is central to the particular "planet's fucked, housing is unaffordable, and no-one cares" doomer sentiment that is depicted in the meme (at least that is how I read it).
Society start to become unwell only when the few "monsters" get power, especially in a unbalanced way.
And yes some have and always will try to get it, but i don't think it's very relevant here...
Capitalism is a very powerful way for them to use our economic system to get their power, hence why it's a problem in itself.
And that's also why we could have hope for a system where they can't get power. Democracy is one solution, although limited, for example.
Sir, this is Lemmy. Everything bad past, present, and future is the fault of capitalism.
Oh yeah, everything bad is the fault of cars too. Almost forgot that one.
Some one on that "we need more sensitive men like in LOTR" post one of the top comments was about how men aren't like this because capitalism. I point out the absurdity of that message and get ratio'd
Its such an echo chamber
Hey sad person, my parents are super rich so I could afford to go to a fancy university that had a legit communist poli sci professor. That's where I learned how to talk to the poors. Which is what you are.
You see your problem is that you're poor because you didn't have rich parents like I did. No I'm not going to do anything to help you, I gotta get of the hair salon LOL. But now that you understand that you're unhappy because you're poor, that's going to make your life so much better! Ok, I've done my good deed for the day so I don't have to feel bad about having a trust fund. Gotta go, byeeeeee!
Tbf the fact that education requires money is also a problem of the system.
Everytime I think rich kids must feel bad for inequality, I remember how easy it is for them to cure their own guilt with the small platitudes of progressivism that won't at all effect the system that empowers them to our detriment.
Joke's on you, I learned most of this stuff from Wikipedia.
To bad fixing it costs resources that are largely hoarded and contrived by the people who profit off it being broken.
Yummy, I love having class consciousness with my lunch
No it has nothing to do with my specific situation it has everything to do with looking at human history and realizing we've been destructive barbarous cunts the whole time.
We literally just act like we're not or ignore the obvious violence that has been constant on this planet.
And honestly it's not even just humans. Other animals are also incredibly violent and cruel. They just generally don't have the ability to know what their doing is cruel.
Like a monkey eating another animal alive because killing it takes more effort. Or a group of hyenas gnawing at the ass of an animal because it's the easiest part to chew through which results in the animal staying alive until it's about halfway eaten and dies of blood loss. Or the fact that a lot of animals can survive with mortal wounds for days just prolonging their suffering before their certain death.
Life is fucked all the way through.
Hunter gatherers weren't so bad, it was just when we started saying "this land is mine" that we ran into true savagery.
Pretty sure even our pre-human ancestors fought over territory.
Hunter gatherers hunted and gathered mega fauna to extinction too. So aggressively did we hunt before we even wrote anything down that we had to settle down and say "this land is mine, and you may not take the grain from it"
Mass Extinction Cycles have been part of this Planets normal cycle for a LOOOOONG time before humans started doing it too. Oxygen, the thing that all current life in this planet needs, caused one with its mass introduction. Literally everything that people list as reasons for hating humans show up everywhere in nature and other animals. Theres a shitload of good things we have accomplished that cant be said for nature and other animals though. The thing thats unique about humans, and why I think it means we need to eventually leave this planet and turn it into a nature reserve, is that we managed to escape Natures checks and balances, which, to be clear, is death and starvation. Being able to provide quality life for almost all humans born, regardless of health and mental conditions is amazing, but unfortunately makes us incompatible with nature, and if we removed our selves from that, NOT by killing ourselves, but instead by creating our own environments on space stations and dead planets, we can have all of the positives, without the negatives of being incompatible with Nature
I encourage you to look at experiments with kids involving altruism. The research suggests much of our fucked up nature is rather learned through the environment. The more we improve our environment, the more we'll likely see that altruism shine through. Not to say psychopaths don't exist, but they are extremely rare, and research demonstrates that they can live relatively well without acting on their impulses with proper treatment, too.
I don’t think capitalism is responsible for humans being noisy and smelly.
Noise and smell are natural parts of being human. Any social system that doesn't accommodate the existence of human physiology should not be used for humans.
In regards to noise and smell, open space offices and Amazon toilet breaks are prime examples of how capitalism have failed to accommodate for human physiology.
Okay but they’ll still be noisy and smelly.
When you're stuck in traffic, remember, you are traffic.
Believe me, I know. The worst part about humanity is that I’m one of them.
That's probably true.
Unless they're playing music on the bus through their phone speaker,
or using some shitty body spray.
I switched to lemm.ee partly to avoid the constant doomerism vibe in reddit. Unfortunate to see lots of lemmings here trying to keep the negative vibe tho.
Let's have a quick reality check: human civilization is young AF. We are cosmic toddlers. No need to throw in the towel just yet on our collective (and individual) ability to be/come more self-aware and ethical. Let the sample size grow, fam.
I am also not a fan of the doomerism. Feels harder to avoid here unfortunately
This fits the "leftist meme wall of text" archetype to a T
Based to the nth degree
And if they truly are one, they won't see anything morally wrong with it. It would be on them for not being able to prevent it.
Nonsense.
I'm no "repressed worker exposed to the constant violence of capitalism...". I retired happily end of my 20s, living carpe diem every day since and never have to worry about the technicality of life. But just because i profit personally from the world, doesn't mean i have to like it the way it is. I would give that up for a fair and just world.
My "misplaced blame" lies very well placed on our species itself.
We made capitalism which makes the lifes of most people just miserable and has a system-immanent failure included for free.
we enslave people as a commodity, treat women like animals and property, treat animals even worse.
we torture and kill our own species for fun and sport and war and feelings and whatever else reason there comes up
we care mostly just for ourselfes. We only care for others when nothing is at stake or we fear our god's wrath.
And it's not really "a few individuals". It's true that those hold the rudder, but I'd bet my left nut on it, that the vast majority of people that currently think to be "good" would instantly be one of "those" if given the chance. And do everything to defend it then.
Yes, I'm a misanthropist for >2 decades. Doesn't mean i hate humans, i hate humanity. I'm the nicest shit to other people. Be the change in the world you want to see. Still doesn't blind me to the way the world IS.
So what you're saying because "power over" is bad, humans are bad? There are plenty humans civilizations who did a better job at preventing power, maybe your misanthropy is a symptom of a narrow worldview?
Oh yeah. Where are those civilizations?
Exactly. But you're right. It must be narrow worldview.
Our species even favors/rewards the "dark triad"-personality traits. Nice people (or civilizations) have no chance in the long run, as all it takes to topple it, is one of the aforementioned with enough ambition. History shows, life all around us show.
Sarcasm aside, I'd really prefer if it'd just be my "narrow worldview". Then the problem would die with me 😊
I feel like when you see some people being evil, and your conclusion is that everyone would be evil if given the chance, you kind of have to also be evil to come to that conclusion. Good people don't "turn evil" easily. If you suddenly "become evil" as soon as the opportunity presents itself, were you ever truly good?
You can be a bit of both sides, sometimes. Knowing the stuff on the right makes me feel the stuff on the left, if that makes sense. But not to such an extreme degree
People are generally awful as a rule. The current social climate simply exacerbates the issue.
I had this little realisation the other day.
Was in the supermarket on a Friday morning, so it was mostly people in their late 60s+, all white folk, all looking bitter. Brexit as fuck Boomers, y’know? And I was going to shitpost about this on Mastodon, but it hit me that the opinion I’d formed was based on fuck all. I had no evidence that those people were what I’d ascribed to them.
Was quite a revelation.
It’s ultimately the people who didn’t do anything about being exploited. It’s us who are not furious with our “leaders” and it’s us who are littering and poisoning this planet. Yeah, capitalism is just a symptom
tldr
TLDR: capitalism.
dam, tough
That class of people subjugating is larger than you think. With the stock market, line goes up is on all of us. Even those "just trying to build their retirement". The entire system must be torn down.
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