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I just want to be left alone.
Bruh. No you fucking don't. You want to use society's infrastructure and benefits without contributing to it. If you really want to be left alone, go follow Alexander Supertramp's lead.
Narrator: he was, in fact, a criminal and did, in fact, make things worse for himself. He did not, however, gain any wisdom from this experience.
he acted dumb like he didn’t know what “natural man” meant.
Um…no one fucking does. You’re in a weird cult-like mind trap.
It's an actual thing:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_person
distinguished from the broader category of a legal person, which may be a private (i.e., business entity or non-governmental organization) or public (i.e., government) organization.
I nearly went down a rabbit hole on that, like, well what is a Natural Man, or is it all caps? So glad I restrained my inborn curiosity. Ain’ got time for that. lol
Oh lol I was hoping you did have time for that so you could give me a brief rundown because I also don’t have time for that
Well…that’s not true. I do have the time, I just would rather…not spend it doing that.
what is a Natural Man,
A featherless biped.
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Holy shit.
The legal genius has spent several weeks in jail because of traffic infringement?
What an special person they are.
"The judge seemed annoyed". You don't say.
And he still has to face punishment for the traffic infraction.
Oof, two months in jail because you won't "bend the knee" to a judge after admittedly driving without a license and leading the police on a chase (no cop should chase somebody for something so stupid, considering how dangerous police chases are, but that's another matter).
What an idiot.
I'm curious if anybody gave him any advice.
Homie's profile pic is the NASA logo, but instead of NASA says lies. They probably think the world is flat. You would get farther arguing with a brick than this person.
Homie’s profile pick in the NASA logo, but instead of NASA says lies. They probably think the world is flat.
Oof.
OP is here for you.
Maybe I’m crazy but the more of these I read the more I feel bad for these people.
It’s like the law is so alien and arbitrary to them, that even when presented with strong evidence that they’re wrong, they can’t see they’ve been deceived. They’d rather live in a world where laws can be invalidated just because they’re unfair or arcane (as long as you know the magic spell of course…).
I kind of sympathize with that: the law IS alien and often arbitrary for us common folk.
The law isn't hard to understand it's just hard to understand the specifics of. That's not quite the same thing.
I do not think anyone really believes that they are allowed to drive on a suspended license, they know they're not allowed to drive on the suspended license, but they are selfish and they do not care. They just think that there's some weird loophole that will allow them to get away with it.
The problem is, everything they think they know about the law comes from a facebook group of crazy people.
But that’s the thing though: devil’s in the details. That’s why we hire lawyers. I mean, driving on a suspended license is illegal for everyone and it’s very obvious. Pretty much everyone gets the same ticket.
Just like stealing and embezzlement. Some guy at my work just got fired for that, and rightly so. He stole like, a hundred dollars worth of candy. They’re prosecuting him for it. Not sure why he did it, he was on camera taking an entire case, very silly stuff.
Too bad he didn’t steal 5.6 million dollars from 1,000 people. Then it would just be a civil case that takes 10+ years to litigate.
Edit: the dealers were actually seeking a combined 50 mil, and after legal fees (1.4 mil) and etc each got about 4K. Justice!
I suspect there's a group of sovcits (perhaps even the majority of them) who are assholes looking to shirk alimony or child support, or wanting to drive after their 5th DUI took their license.
But yeah, on the other hand, I get why some people are rightfully angry about corps and rich people getting away with murder, and so they do their own "research" on how to figure out the loopholes of things like making yourself into a corporation. Too bad the reality is the a) rich people do exist in a separate justice system and b) they're far too dumb to be able to make legal loopholes work for them. Plus most of those loopholes involve a ton of money in the first place (refer back to point a).
Too bad he didn’t steal 5.6 million dollars from 1,000 people. Then it would just be a civil case that takes 10+ years to litigate.
It's not about how much you steal, it's about how expensive are the lawyers you can afford.
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It's more like this is a myth they can believe in. They feel trapped in an unfair, punitive and coercive system where they functionally have no real choices. The myth of sovereign citizens allows them to grasp onto a hope that actually they do have some choice. "I never consented to this, I never chose this, so I must be able to opt out, right?" In some ways, it's much like the myth people tell of the "Reptilian Overlords". Looking at the unfairness, abusiveness, and callousness of those in power, it's easier for some to cling to a story that explains their "otherness" than accept that humans do horrible shit to each other and accept that is part of one's own identity.
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any advice from someone more experienced & knowledgeable would be much appreciated
If only there was some professional that could provide such legal knowledge and experience
The courts tried to appoint me a public pretender again while I was incarcerated, I declined
🤦
My lawyer friend LOVES prosecuting sovcits. Has won them all.
They'd be a pretty shit lawyer if they couldn't. They're playing make-believe in a place that has hard rules. Unless their defence includes some kind of "insanity" plea, I don't know how any of them have any "victory against the courts" stories to tell.
That's like punting an infant across the street and saying that you "won the fight."
As I understand it the problem is upholding the conviction. I mean... it's hard to argue that a intellectually challenged individual who represented themselves based on legal advice from a conman had adequate legal representation.
I'm pretty sure "your honor I'm an idiot" is not actually a defense. Especially in the absence of any other defense. I.e. a reason to drive without a license.
any advice from someone more experienced & knowledgeable would be much appreciated
Stop! You've violated the law! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence.
Okay I know what to do from here.
First, reverse pickpocket poison apples into all of the guards inventories, then hang out in their barracks until they all eat poisoned apples, once the guards all die steal their stuff and sell it to the town merchants. Now not only are you richer, but the town's guards can't arrest you on account of being dead.
The best part is that when the guards eventually respawn they keep the poisoned status and will quickly die again, with a new loadout of guard equipment!
No, no, no. I don’t want that kind of advice. Tell me the secret to not having to deal with any of this and getting a bunch of money for free.
The sad thing is that even after going to jail, being evaluated to make sure he’s not out of his gourd, AND being shown a fair amount of leniency for his bullshit, he’s not going to learn a goddamn thing. What would be a wake up call for people not in a cult has just sent him straight back to the cult to ask for help in escalating even further.
What’s kind of fascinating to me is that sovereign citizens seem to consistently believe that if their bullshit doesn’t work then it’s their fault for not doing the correct incantation. Like judges are the fey.
The law is magic to them.
They don't understand it, but they have been told that certain spells can grant immunity.
When the spell does not work, it is not because they have been sold a load of shit by a grifter, they just didn't do it right.
These idiots genuinely believe that there are magic words which they can incant to get what they want.
Just, wak into the wilderness and die please.
magic words which they can incant to get what they want.
They see it every day. It is unfair that they can't do the same as people like Trump.
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They're wrong but at least they actually mean it when they say fuck the system
I mean, their bullshit isn't worse than the system's bullshit. The only difference is the system's bullshit is actually real, with life-destroying consequences, as the top post on this site testifies today.
Would you care to LINK TO the post in question, or just have us guess what was popular the minute you wrote your reply?
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