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submitted 10 months ago by CatLikeLemming to c/linux@lemmy.ml

So, Konsole shipped by default with KDE Plasma, my current Desktop Environment. While I don't have a problem with it, I am interested in what other people are using, because there very likely is something better out there.

Specifically I've seen talk of Kitty and Alacritty, although I've also read that the dev of Kitty is allegedly kind of a jerk, so I am specifically interested in how Konsole matches up to Alacritty in your experience, but other suggestions and general terminal emulator discussion are also welcome!

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[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Oh, I’m missing out on the latest “xyz dev is a jerk” drama again? Oh well …

I use Kitty, it’s a great terminal emulator that is easily extendable and gives me all the features I like.

[-] graycube@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

I've been using Alacritty (on Wayland) for the past few years. I like it's customizability. My only real complaint is that there are times when I really miss having scrollbars. After reading this thread I'll have to give kitty a try. I think I tried it a couple if years ago and was not impressed, but maybe it has gotten a lot better since then.

[-] graycube@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Having looked closer, kitty just looks too complicated. I just want a nice terminal. Kitty doesn't have scrollbars either. I'll stick with Alacritty for now.

[-] flubba86@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Hey, have a look at Wezterm. I was an Alacritty user for 3 years, but always wanted a scrollbar and tabs. Wezterm is what you are looking for.

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I'm sort of in the same position I guess. I'm interested in other options, but so far Konsole has more than satisfied my needs. It does everything I need and is easy to customize.

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

I use Gnome Terminal and Mate Terminal on my laptop. Nothing fancy, they just work. They do what I need (which is run a shell), they support tabs, and transparency is just nice to have. I also run Tilda because once in a while I need to enter a quick command without changing desktops.

[-] flubba86@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I was a fan of Alacritty and used it for the last 3 years, but I was frustrated by the lack of features (no scroll bar, no native tabs) and the disrespectful way the developers handled feature requests.

A few weeks ago someone on this site recommended Wezterm, so I tried it out, and it's amazing. It's everything I was hoping Alacritty would be or could become.

Read this thread for more details, specifically the reply by wez: https://github.com/wez/wezterm/discussions/1769

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

I was a fan of Alacritty and used it for the last 3 years, but I was frustrated by the lack of features

You were a fan, but didn't realise that it's minimal on purpose?

It's AFAIK the only popular, minimal, GPU accelerated terminal emulator. It doesn't have tabs, multiplexing, and other features because it's not supposed to. Your wm/tmux handles that already, and scrollbars are waste of screen space.

Would you also complain that a flat head screwdriver is missing those cross bits to help you unscrew phillips heads?

[-] ptrckstr@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I really enjoy alacritty, it provides you a terminal with nice defaults.

For a bit more base functionality, such as tabs or split panes, you could look into kitty or wezterm for example.

In the case of alacritty you'd need to look at other tools such as tmux or zellij for multi-terminal workspaces in one window.

[-] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I use both Konsole and Kitty and both are excellent.

[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Tillix with zellji is golden

[-] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

Isn't that overkill?

[-] jwt@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

As long as I have my aliases working and I can strip away unnecessary gui clutter, I'm fine with whatever.

[-] _cnt0@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'll impart my wisdom of more than 25 years of using linux on you. You're welcome.

TL;DR: If you're using a desktop environment, just stick with what it ships. The shell running inside of any terminal emulator gives you much more leverage for improving your performance than any terminal emulator can. You want to use zsh.

Coining terminal emulators as GPU accelerated is misleading. Almost all GUI terminal emulators use GPU acceleration, simply because they are based on toolkits which rely on GPU acceleration (GTK, QT, ...). Things like alacritty are performance optimized. In my experience the use cases where this optimization is even noticeable are rather fringe. And the difference in performance comes at a price: standard compliance, feature completeness, bugs, usability/user friendliness. Don't get me wrong, I encourage you to try different terminal emulators, if only for the fun of tinkering with them. But, I predict that you'll always eventually come back to Konsole (as did I). Konsole is the most feature complete terminal emulator I've ever encountered. It is stable, easy to use, the performance is quite good, it has tabs, some tiling support, image support, wide character support, ...

At the end of the day the best fit for you depends on your desktop environment and workflow. I used to make extensive use of Yakuake; having a terminal one keypress away for some quick commands and instantly dropping back into whatever I was doing before was quite useful. With integrated terminals, that have the added benefit of context (working directory, PATH, ...), having become the norm in IDEs and editors, that use case has completely vanished for me. I get the allure of tiling terminals for people who use tiling window managers. But if you're already using a tiling WM, tiling support by the terminal emulator is kind of moot (imho). While I regularly have/need multiple terminals open side by side, a static tiling configuration is completely useless for me. How many terminals I need in what arrangement highly depends on what I'm doing. Having tabs in Konsole and multiple Konsole windows with the tiling and snapping by Kwin is much more useful than any tiling support I have seen in terminal emulators.

I've always loved Krunner, over the years it has become central to my workflow. It can do so much more than just launch applications. Important here and to me: it can navigate to open windows and individual tabs inside of windows (if supported by the app). Having one tool for all desktop navigation is much more useful to me than any individual solution (i.e. tiling within a terminal emulator).

Most terminal emulators would work fine for me. What makes a huge difference though, is what runs inside of a terminal emulator. I went from bash to fish (before it was cool) to bash to zsh. I've settled on zsh with fzf for history search and a ton of evolved custom configuration for a decade now. No terminal emulator switch can have even remotely the impact of a shell switch.

So, long story short, my advice to you, and everyone for that matter: spent more time on what's inside the terminal emulator. If you run KDE/Plasma, just stick with Konsole. Dip your toes into other terminal emulators for the fun of it, but do not expect any substantial/meaningful improvement to your personal performance because of it.

I hope you can take something useful from this wall of text.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

On Cosmic you can tile multiple windows in tabs. Tabs are essential for me, I tried Alacritty (and it had quite some issues but I got it to work) and switched back to Konsole

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

I just never would recommend mixing Gnome's Terminal and Konsole. Gnome and KDE never seem to play nice with each other. Besides that, go wild.

[-] UmbraTemporis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Wherever possible I use the XFCE defaults, as I basically turn Budgie into XFCE. So I use the XFCE-Terminal, and it's probably the most comfortable TE I've tried.

[-] iiGxC@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

Would be foot but monaspace font doesn't work that well, so kitty

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