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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago

That's illegal under the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.

Send them a certified letter. Inform them that they need to prove you caused the damage, repair or replace your device, or you'll be taking them to arbitration.

They generally have to pay for the arbiter, so it'll be cheaper to just replace your cheap phone even if they win.

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It's illegal for them to do that, BTW. They have to prove magisk damaged your battery.

I ran into this with Dell when they tried to claim after market RAM was the reason a CPU core wasn't responding to interrupt requests.

All it took was asking for the diagnostic data showing that the aftermarket RAM caused it to get the warranty repair approved.

You just gotta push back until they cave. Maybe ask for their mailing address for your FTC report or for the number to their legal department (most call centers are terrified of escalating anything to the actual company).

But, don't directly threaten legal action, because they'll stop the call right there.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

It's illegal for them to do that, BTW. They have to prove magisk damaged your battery.

And you have to be able to afford those rights. If you can't afford to sue them then you're screwed.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

That's where the arbitration clauses they make you agree to are actually helpful.

THEY have to pay for arbitration. You don't need an attorney, and generally they'll just take care of you because it's cheaper than hiring an arbiter.

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If you read further, I give suggestions on how to do that without a lawyer.

It's going to cost the company more money to call their lawyers than just doing the repair, so it usually doesn't even take a ton of push back.

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 60 points 1 year ago

Don't go to any authorized repair center unless it's still in warranty. Those people don't care about you or your things. They are obligated to service you. Any 3rd party repair person has to work triple as hard and give you double the service to win your business.

[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

As someone who used to work at and Apple and Samsung authorized repair center, it’s not that we don’t care. It’s that Apple and Samsung control every single thing we do and will fine us for deviating from their rules.

[-] kadu@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Here in Brazil the hardware and software are technically two different products, in such a way that you can't deny a hardware warranty repair due to software modifications. That's the good part.

The bad part is that manufacturers do that anyway because they know you won't pay the legal fees to challenge this in court. This strategy mostly pays off. If you're particularly annoying, or somebody from our customer protection watchdog happens to take interest in your claim, the company will fold and repair the modified device for you eventually.

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago

We gotta get EU on board this train.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 year ago

This kind of thing is illegal in mist eu countries but they also dont enforce it like in brasil. Iirc norway enforces it because a bunch of people sued samsung together.

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[-] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 44 points 1 year ago

Samsung have been trying to dodge honouring under warranty for years - check the comments for how much work had to be put in to get them to honour it. It pays to fight sometimes.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

are you the brick wall in this meme?

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[-] lemmingrad@thelemmy.club 29 points 1 year ago

You cannot imagine the lies I had to tell to the people while working for Applecare.

[-] AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

you can absolutely do it yourself. be prepared and get the right tools, look up many many guides and videos before you start, but I honestly think it's doable for someone whose never opened a phone. those batteries are an absolute pain in the ass to remove, but as long as it's discharged below 20% you really don't have to worry about it it catching fire or anything catastrophic like you're lead to believe (just be careful ofc and wear PPE)

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 year ago

Would, but I don't have the equipment.

[-] chiwiu@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

where I live there are shops for laptop, console and phone repairs. I'd keep it simple and go to one of those

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[-] Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

I fried the battery charging chip for my HTC dream when I rooted and used it as a router for the family in holiday. I felt it was hot to the touch but I thought "it's gonna be ok, surely it has temperature sensors and it will throttle". High draw for a long time when charging = the chip exploded and it wouldn't charge anymore. Luckily the battery was removable and I already got an external charger for it from dealextreme. But HTC still repaired it for free under warranty even if it was my fault and I gave to them back rooted.

Same for LG when my rooted Nexus 5X boot looped, although that was an endemic problem caused by LG shitty manufacturing (they changed the stance a few months after that, never bought LG anymore)

Samsung should repair it, I thought they were the only ones root friendly left on the market...

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 year ago

I thought they were the only ones root friendly left on the market…

Not anymore.

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[-] dandu3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Samsung isn't root friendly at all. Most of their phones can't be bootloader unlocked officially.

The only ones that do are google, moto and the chinese ones

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[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

If it's still under warranty, they HAVE to unless they can prove your modification caused the system to fail. It's no different than the silly stickers that say "warranty void if removed" - that's a nice fantasy for the manufacturer, but at least in the US it's been ruled those stickers mean absolutely nothing. If they're refusing to fix a phone under warranty, contact your local AG and enjoy watching them squirm. Loop in the FTC for good measure.

https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/businesspersons-guide-federal-warranty-law#Magnuson-Moss

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

An ideal phone:

  • Fairphone 4/5 like build
  • Unlocking the bootloader without asking manufacturer for the code
  • Access to the flashing and pairing tools from the factory to eliminate bricking
  • U-boot, Coreboot or similar sane bootloader
  • (Close to) mainline Linux support for the components, to enable "lifetime" updates and OS freedom
  • Optional: headphone jack and SD card slot
[-] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

What a dream... But sadly it probably won't happen. They manages to establish this shit as a standard and that's it.

Imagine PCs would be like that too. Would anyone buy them if they couldn't install EVERYTHING? Or delete or change system-stuff/-apps? Or just go and install Linux? Or win? Or both?

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[-] massacre@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If it's under warranty, they almost certainly cannot deny the claim for this or really many bullshit reasons manufacturers say like removing a "warranty void" sticker - which is still covered. You can sue in small claims. Check out the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act should you need to prove your point.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Fuck Samsung. Not surprised though

[-] lietuva@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Unroot, lock bootloater and bring it again, lol

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 year ago

Battery died and it doesn't power on.

[-] michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

In Europe, there are unofficial Samsung phones available 15-20% cheaper than from authorized stores. Just consider how often you need warranty repairs. I've changed 5-7 phones during my life and haven't had any problems with them except cracked screens and worn batteries.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

While this is some bullshit companies pull, you don't have third party repair companies in your area?

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 20 points 1 year ago

samsung does bullshit where the parts have serial codes paired to the phone or whatever and you need to match it using their proprietary software for it to function. apple does it too.

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 15 points 1 year ago

I bought a Samsung as well. We should both learn from our mistakes, and never do that again - this is simply the cost of doing business with them. Maybe Fairphone would be good?

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Wait, Samsung does that too now?
Whatever, it's just iPhones with Android now.

[-] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you have a source for this? I've tried looking up anything online to see if this is something Samsung started to do but couldn't find anything. I am also seeing 3rd party batteries available on Amazon for the a32 5g.

Here's an example that seems to have good reviews. Couldn't find anything in the reviews that say the battery needed to be paired.

Edit: battery said it wasn't for a32 5g here's another https://a.co/d/7Zy2N88

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

iFixit article on part pairing (samsung is called out): https://www.ifixit.com/News/69320/how-parts-pairing-kills-independent-repair

Video about samsung actually implementing part pairing: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zGLQ9ZRntZo

[-] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Looking though that it looks like Samsung made a comment

Samsung’s representative stated:

“I’m unfamiliar with the specific variables that could have come into play with this repair or the unsubstantiated comments from Mr. Jeffrey. What I can tell you is that there is no requirement to pair parts on our smartphones. If a repair were conducted correctly, a device would not lose functionality.”

I was checking to see if anyone made any additional comments on the Hugh Jeffreys video and someone said they replaced the screen but kept the fingerprint sensor and it still worked fine. I believe replacing the battery with a 3rd party option should still have the device working fine.

Hugh left a comment on the video as well:

[-] SayJess 8 points 1 year ago

I was going to suggest doing it yourself, but it is a bit involved.

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[-] sudoku@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Your fault for buying a phone that doesn't respect you: it has efuses (knox). Buying a regular Android phone that lets you fully restore it without a trace is the way to go.

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 year ago

where can I get a good phone like a pixel or fairphone or whatever in greece? phones like that cant be found anywhere.

[-] fkn@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Online? I'm confused, do they not ship to Greece?

[-] Vuraniute@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 year ago

bought an iqunix a80 from online, tarrifs doubled the price

[-] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 5 points 1 year ago

I'm confused, what nation did you buy from? There are no tarrifs inside the EU? I'm fairly certain you could easily find both German and Italian sites that ship to Greece.

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[-] money_loo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

This is true.

I’m also wondering what OP was wearing when he took the phone in for repairs, seems like he was asking for it.

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