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The blue LED was supposed to be impossible—until a young engineer proposed a moonshot idea.

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[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 249 points 9 months ago

Really annoying that the company shat on him for years, and continued to do so after he multiplied the value of the company. Toxic behavior.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 170 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's an extreme example that perfectly illustrates how profit is extracted from employees by the employers. He didn't have any leverage to get a larger share of the profit from his labor, as is the case with most employees. You could call it toxic behavior, and it is, but it's the expected behavior, the behavior incentivised by the system.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 96 points 9 months ago

It also shows how capitalism hinder innovation. It doesn't create it. The potentially innovative path took money without any guarantee of creating profit. It's bad business to be innovative. Capitalism prioritizing profit never chooses the best path, even if it gets a good ending eventually despite itself.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

It's a capitalist company that funded him to go to Florida and bought him the machine to do his work.

Where do you think he would get the 3 million the company gave him? It's the company that spent that money to bet on innovation and they got a return on investment

Capitalism never chooses the best path, but neither does any other system. We haven't invented a perfect system, and it's probably impossible. Sounds like a strange critique since we'll never reach perfection

[-] rbits@lemm.ee 19 points 9 months ago

And then capitalism that made the company repeatedly ask for him to stop researching it.

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion. For every example of a capitalist avoiding risky investments, there are 100 capitalists betting on the next innovation.

Venture capital. Heard the term? AI, Metaverse, crypto, web 2.0, .com... The tech space alone is full of capital making (stupidly risky) bets. They also make good bets too, like PC, search engines, online shopping (oh, look how the tech giants came to be).

I get it, capitalism bad. But this is just a nonsensical argument.

[-] muix@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 9 months ago

I was working for a place that was the market leader in a certain niche of simulation software. Their simulation was about 10x more efficient than their competitors. However, that version of the software is strictly off limits for the public, and made a version which they sold with a sleep statement so that it was only 1.1x faster than the next best solution. That way they could remain market leaders any time the competitors released a better version. Even though many systems rely on growing simulations to simulate bigger scenarios that could help save lives.

Just an example of capitalism impeding progress.

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[-] admiralteal@kbin.social 52 points 9 months ago

Makes me presume power harassment.

On the flip side, he was using up millions and millions of company dollars on his singleminded pursuit with no obvious results to show for it. Had things gone even a little differently, things would've gone very differently indeed. Hard to imagine most companies tolerating an employee flat ignoring instruction to change to another task when their old task was proving fruitless.

Hindsight is clear enough here, but in context it was pretty nuts what the guy was doing.

Makes you wonder how many great inventors of revolutionary tech were shoved off their path by dumb luck.

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[-] pedestrian@links.hackliberty.org 148 points 9 months ago

Shuji Nakamura was a researcher at Nichia who was determined to create the first blue LED, which had eluded scientists for decades. Through innovative crystal growth techniques and materials discoveries, he succeeded in developing bright blue and white LEDs in the early 1990s. This breakthrough enabled LEDs to be used for full-spectrum lighting. Nichia's fortunes grew enormously as a result, though Nakamura was not properly compensated for his invention. Today, LEDs powered by Nakamura's blue LED technology are ubiquitous and have brought enormous energy savings worldwide.

Something interesting I found was that Nakamura persisted in his research for blue LEDs against the wishes of his company management, who saw it as a waste of resources. His stubbornness and belief in his work paid off by solving a problem that had stumped the electronics industry for 30 years.

[-] Steak@lemmy.ca 125 points 9 months ago

He really got screwed. They didn't want him even working on blue LEDs and then when he was right and actually made one they gave him nothing and made hundreds of millions of dollars. Then sued him when he left to work for another company for "leaking company secrets" which was really all his work. He counter sued and the courts awarded him like 189 million, then the company counter sued back and he got 8 million which just covered his legal fees.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Wow... for brief, fleeting moment i thought justice prevailed in the end. Silly me.

[-] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Um... if someone pays you to do a thing, then they own it. Imagine if you paid me a hundred thousand dollars to build a house and then it's my house to live in. Doesn't make any sense at all.

I'm not defending the company, but the law is pretty clear on this. If you want to own your own work, then start your own company.

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 64 points 9 months ago

I think their comment is more a critique of wage labour than a misunderstanding of it.

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[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

That's fine, but if one of your employees comes up with a revolutionary product that makes billions and you choose not to compensate him in any meaningful way, don't then get surprised when they leave to join another company and definitely don't sue them for doing so

You legally own what they produced, but you don't own the individual.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 27 points 9 months ago

Funnily enough, the labor to create something is a large basis of Proudhon's critique in "What is Property?" You sure as hell didn't spend labor to create the land that house was built on. No one did. Who gave you control over it, and how was it their right?

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[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Is this an AI generated comment? It sure reads like one.

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[-] Clent@lemmy.world 113 points 9 months ago

Excellent counter example to anyone claiming that we need patent and copyright to innovate.

This man made nothing on his invention and was not motivated by money but fame.

There are endless of examples of how those who do things for money hold back the creativity that leads to innovation. This is one of them. It almost didn't happen because his pursuit was not seen as profitable.

[-] faultyproboscus@sh.itjust.works 56 points 9 months ago

Sure, but the company fronted the millions of dollars required to develop the technology. The investment needs to come from somewhere.

That doesn't have to be a private company, though. We need public funding that retains the patent rights, if not just to make the invention free from licensing costs to manufacture.

The insane thing about our current system is that we do have public funding, but private companies wind up with the patent anyway

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago

The company didn't invent it. A person did. The company almost stopped it from being invented. They didn't spend millions inventing this. A person spent tens of thousands of hours inventing it.

That the funding is only available from a company is a result of the patent system. It does not spur development, it perverts it. Any ideas to the contrary are propaganda.

People have been inventing shit longer than corporations have existed. People have been inventing things without any guarantee on return on investment for most of human history.

Capitalism is bullshit and the capitalization of ideas harms humanity.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Maybe they didn't invent it. But he wouldn't and couln't have invented it without them.

Someone would have invented it eventually though.

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[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

This man made nothing on his invention and was not motivated by money but fame.

And then he sued the company for $20 million because the CEO didn't want to respect his efforts and stiffed him.

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

And the amount he actually won only covered the legal fees, so he made nothing.

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[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 91 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My favorite thing about widely-available blue LEDs was the effect on TV scifi.

Watch the Star Trek shows made in the 1980s and 1990s and the tricorders, alien gadgets, and other props were always twinkling with red, yellow, and green LEDs to look futuristic. A generation later and every single hand prop on 2000s Doctor Who, Torchwood, etc. glowed and twinkled blue because the LEDs had just become cheap enough for prop makers, but weren't yet widespread enough in day-to-day life so that the viewers were seeing something strange and unusual.

Now every color of LED imaginable is just common and whatever, but for a good stretch of time glowy blue became the standard "scifi" color just because that particular tech happened to turn up at that particular time.

[-] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

Purple still seems to be a tough one for most rgb devices I’ve used lol

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 65 points 9 months ago

Making blue LEDs is easy. Just make a red one, then move towards it really fast.

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[-] JATtho@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago

This was an yet another glorious episode from veritasium.

I hope we get well past UVC LEDs. (i.e., shorter wavelengths) UV LEDs are already available. Unfortunately, this progress will stop before X-ray light. With +1 KeV energy, you pretty much must blast off the electrons from the atoms to emit X-rays, which an x-ray tube already does. Or by peeling off a piece of scotch tape.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 51 points 9 months ago

Maybe making X-ray emitters cheap enough to put in a flashlight isn't the best idea anyway.

[-] JATtho@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Maybe not in a flashlight, but the scientific industry would be very pleased with them. Sterilize water and all surfaces in a second? Flash with 200nm light.

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

How about cheap enough to put in a fleshlight?

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[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 18 points 9 months ago

More efficient compact X-ray generators would be pretty huge for science work. We run the diffractometer in my lab at 2 kW and it still takes hours to get a good quality scan

[-] nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 months ago

Sorry sir I have no idea what you are talking about

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[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It seems that the blue led is picked by many manufacturers now for its coolness factor. There are so many appliances people have in sleeping areas with blue lights glaring and disturbing sleep

[-] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I carry a bit of gaffer's tape everywhere for those little obnoxious blue bastards.

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 52 points 9 months ago

A few details as further info, focusing mostly on the technical aspects:

It's considerably easier to decrease the band gap than to increase it. Decreasing it only requires that you insert some material to provide an intermediate band, while increasing it would likely need alloying it to force some structural change.

The material being in the right band gap is not enough. You need to make sure that it can be p-doped and n-doped, that its crystalline structure is stable even with some temperature variation. Ah, it should be also relatively straightforward to produce industrially.

Then you get the little gem that Nakamura found.

[-] Damdy@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago

Haven't watch the video yet, but I remember how impressed my step dad was with the blue LED when we got our PlayStation 2. I was like, yeah great whatever let's play games, at the time.

[-] Chozo@kbin.social 29 points 9 months ago

I love Veritasium's deep dives into the scientists behind various inventions. We really ought to celebrate more people like Nakamura.

[-] Lanky_Pomegranate530@midwest.social 22 points 9 months ago

Here is an Odysee Link for those that don't want to give youtube support.

[-] porkchop@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago

Just a PSA for those who don’t know… no shade against Odysee… I’ve just encountered folks here who don’t know this:

Veritassium and many others on YouTube make their living by the advertising shown on YT. If you’re a premium member, even more money goes to the creator when you watch their content. It’s this very money that allows independent creators to create more / better content!

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[-] KyuubiNoKitsune 22 points 9 months ago

The first blue LED I ever saw was on the dashboard of my mom's VW Golf. I always wanted one like that, but now they're everywhere!

[-] JoMomma@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago
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[-] Clanket@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

That was an excellent watch, thanks for sharing.

YouTube is horrendous for ads though.

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[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

Capitalism is just sad

[-] linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 9 months ago

I freaking hate blue LEDs.

I actively avoid buying anything with a blue LED because they are so obnoxious. So bright. Why do I want to read by the light of my HDD? Does this video explain why they have to be like that?

Maybe if you have a separate wing of the mansion to do computing stuff it is not annoying. But if like a lot of people you have electronics in your living space, these lights are extremely disruptive.

It seems that can't really be dimmed.. I had to give up on a couple of blue backlit alarm clocks because there is no way that the time can be visible without illuminating the whole area around them.

For whatever reason, red is the best one. I would prefer another color aesthetically. For whatever reason, red is the only color that does what it has to do and nothing more.

[-] FiFoFree@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

If you own anything with "white" LEDs, I have some bad news for you...

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[-] WillBalls@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

This is actually a biological phenomenon that most humans experience! Our eyes are more attuned to greens and blues rather than reds, so green and blue light appear brighter as the cones in our eyes are more sensitive to those colors. Similarly, our cones are less sensitive to red so it appears darker.

There's also a physics component to this as well since red light has about half the energy (twice the wavelength) as blue light. However, since there's a difference in energy, the engineer must take that into account when designing multicolor LED applications so as to keep a level light intensity when changing or blending colors.

Here's an eli5 question with some more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/ghx9g6/eli5_why_does_red_light_seem_darker/?rdt=58820

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