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Could Taylor Swift tilt Florida blue? It’s Democrats’ wildest dream. (www.politico.com)

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“Florida Democrats don’t know why Taylor Swift is naming an upcoming song on her new album ‘Florida!!!’ or the reason she chose to hold three concerts in Miami less than a month before the November elections,” Politico reports.

“But their excitement around the news is less about ‘why?’ and more about leveraging Swift’s celebrity status to fill the blank space for beleaguered voters tired of losing to Republicans.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's weird how moderates think Taylor likes Biden and doesn't just hate trump.

It's the only reason most Biden voters are Biden voters, which is why he's polling so terribly

There's no reason we have to be running such an unlikable candidate again, just because trump is even more unlikable. It's only worked 50% of the time now.

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Wow. A lot of people don't seem to know many Dem politicians...

Biden himself said over 50 Dems could easily beat trump.

I think this guy would be a good option, but there's lots of others

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Ossoff

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 79 points 1 year ago

I'm not exactly a fan of Biden, but he's on the ballot for two reasons:

Incumbents historically have an advantage, and it would be crazy to throw that advantage away.
Who else would run in his place? It's not like there's some other obvious candidate. I can think of lots of progressives that I'd personally love to see on the ballot, but the reality is that none of those candidates are seen as being electable in swing states. Be nice if it were otherwise, but it ain't.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Who else would run in his place?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Ossoff

That guy's 36, but ran the most funded US Senate campaign in America's history.

So he's got the money neoliberals say they care about.

He was an investigative journalist going after corruption, his positions line up with what Dem voters want...

And he's really popular with gen z voters.

Why not him if all that matters is "not trump"?

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The most funded in America's history isn't because of him; it was because it was a special election with the entire nation pouring money in for the sake of winning a Senate majority. It could've been Joe Manchin and the same outcome would've happened. That's not a reflection of Jon's campaign prowess.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Did someone stop him from putting his hat in the ring? Because otherwise, I think the problem is that he doesn't want to run in Biden's place and I don't know that voting for someone who isn't running in the first place is an especially good strategy to beat Trump.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

The issue is no one wants to challenge Biden, not that no one would want to run in his place. Biden shouldn't have run for reelection, but if he doesn't step aside a challenge is likely to just blow up the party (at least unless Biden has some major senior movement that causes people to abandon him en masse). But that's an actuarial gamble, and if it doesn't happen you've got a split party and a weakened candidate. We're seeing the in Republican party how well challenging the presumptive nominee goes when you're simultaneously not trying to say anything remotely negative about him.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That doesn't really change the fact that he has expressed no interest in running. For whatever reason.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Ossoff would be great. I'd also be up for Jeff Jackson, who has a pretty solid social media following due to his "I'm a newcomer in Washington, here's what it's like" videos.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I don't know why people act like there aren't other options.

Biden himself literally said he could think of 50 other Dems who could beat trump.

[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Because they aren't running?

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You realize the DNC went into overdrive to kill the primary this election cycle, right?

Reordering states to favor Biden, keeping candidates off ballots, and some state Democratic parties even effectively cancelled their presidential primary.

Now, if you only consume mainstream media sources, it wouldn't be surprising that you weren't aware, as they have been mostly ignoring it.

[-] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Biden wasn’t even on the ballot in NH and easily won via write ins. Presidential incumbents who seek the nomination of their win primaries. Without exception. Always. Biden might not be popular, but he’s much much more popular than anyone who even imagined running an opposition.

[-] fkn@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

And? Just because I am not a fan of how the democratic party is run doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for them.

There are a lot of problems... But this argument is awfully close to apologetics for Trump.

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Maybe you missed the part where I was responding to another comment that casually mentioned there's no other viable Democratic candidates.

Stating objective facts isn't an argument, they're just facts. The DNC did those things, and worse. It's not up for debate, and there was no point being argued.

It sounds like you believe anyone saying anything critical of the DNC, is actually secretly a Trump supporter, or Trump apologist?

Well... golly gee, you got me there. Good work!

Keep it up, and don't worry, there's definitely no way that approach to political discourse will ever spectacularly backfire on you.

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

Incumbents historically have an advantage, and it would be crazy to throw that advantage away.

In lower offices maybe, but since 1980 (Carter) we've only had 4/7 incumbents reelected. People may talk about how Carter/Bush/Trump all had something uniquely terrible that caused them to lose their reelection, but Biden's got a 38% approval rating, is tied to an unpopular foreign war, and has record low numbers with critical voting blocs. He's not riding high and doing fine.

[-] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

And yet I'll still go out and vote against Trump instead of staying home in november.

[-] winky9827b@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I will pour my heart, soul and life savings into an AOC for president campaign as soon as she decides she's ready.

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[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

Literally anyone under 55 could probably beat Trump.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Seriously.

People act like a candidate has to be perfect, if oring that Biden has been polling terribly and failed multiple times at becoming president before narrowerly squeaking by trump.

[-] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah it would be really nice if there was a D that folks liked.. I'd love to see a landslide election. But those days are gone I'm afraid.

THO.. has there been a Democrat or Republican in the last.. 50 years that folks really liked?

Maybe Obama... But other than him...idk

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, both parties seem to just be running on "I'm not the other guy" recently, and it's getting old (though admittedly the Republicans have been running on it a lot harder). Obama was the last candidate to be nominated on a platform that tried to make the case for a future.

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[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who is a likable candidate, with experience but younger, who has name-recognition, can offset incumbent advantage, and not be an easy punching-bag for right-wing propaganda? Maybe Gretchen Whitmer? I don't know.

Unfortunately Democrats don't have great candidates at least for another election cycle or two. They're between two generations with nobody in the Goldilocks zone.

I was concerned a while back that Republicans would rally behind someone like DeSantis or Haley and the age difference alone, let alone being a "fresh face" would be enough to put them over the top. Fortunately, the same match-up goes in our favor right now — especially with the backdrop of (a) the economy, (b) women's rights, and (c) corruption trials (based on independents polling).

It looks like the Senate is going to be much harder to keep than the White House.

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[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] frunch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

God damn was that refreshing to read! I appreciate your enthusiasm! 🥂

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

GOPers are seriously unlikeable motherfuckers to start with

I dunno, the racism and simplistic explanations seem to be pretty likeable among a certain crowd

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[-] DunkinCoder@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, look at all of the conspiracy theories swirling about now.

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[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 46 points 1 year ago

How about the florida democrats don't run shitty ex republican candidates and actually manages a decent campaign for once in their fucking lives? Nikki Freid is right there and they did her dirty. We don't need Taylor swift, we need someone who gives some modicum of a shit about florida. For being a huge "swing state" they sure don't seem to think we're worth the effort

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[-] LocoOhNo@lemmus.org 44 points 1 year ago

Good luck getting the Latino voters in Florida vote blue. There's been a generational effort to convince the Cuban and Puerto Rican voters that anyone left of Mussolini is Fidel Castro incarnate.

I love my Latino brothers and sisters, but Florida is not the place to hope for a blue wave.

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Actually Latins in Florida are not a block. Young Latin voters tend to vote Democrat- older Republican.

[-] iain@feddit.nl 26 points 1 year ago

Not improving your political stances, but just benefiting from a popular artist? It's the Democrats wildest dreams!

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[-] Gork@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

How long until Republican gun nuts inadvertently end up supporting Taylor Swift by buying a CD album of her music just to shoot it?

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

remember on election night in 2016 when HRC was doing a preemptive victory lap in BlUe TeXaS while PA, OH, MI and all of the other "firewall states" that were supposed to guarantee her an easy win turned red? Let's not go looking for treasure up our own assholes and instead let's ensure that the easy wins actually happen.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

Damn. Never imagined a world where Taylor Swift could influence politics. Every little bit helps I guess.

[-] InformalTrifle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Betteridges law. So the answer is no, Taylor Swift won’t tilt Florida blue, unfortunately.

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Meh. Imagine having such a weak political stance that you need to rely on artists to do your political campaigns. The dems need to pick themselves up if they want some real gains, not these half assed attempts.

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imagine having such a fucking weak-minded electorate that some trendy twat (or a career criminal who spray paints his face orange) sways the course of politics.

[-] febra@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah. It’s sad honestly

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[-] Pizza_Rat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Wildest? Really?

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