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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

It would seem the design that can survive the most extinctions would be the clear winner in the end.

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[-] whenigrowup356@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago

Ultimately, it's selecting for crabs. Crabs are perfection. There is no escaping carcinization.

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago

There's a great episode in Eons about convergent evolution and crabs specifically.

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

I always thought it seemed like mother nature was feeling a little crabby.

[-] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

I’d say adaptability would be priority in an environment that is subject to frequent change. Environments that are largely static probably favor efficiency.

[-] Fluke@discuss.online 6 points 9 months ago

Yeah. Countless examples going both directions. I wouldn't call crocodilians super adaptable, but they are so well tuned for their specific environs that they've been largely unchanged for 94 MILLION years.

I would argue that being warm blooded makes an animal more adaptable. Interestingly, it seems cold blooded reptiles evolved into warm blooded archosaurs which eventually led to cold blooded crocodilians. Tellingly, these active warm blooded ancestors are all extinct in favor of the passive, cold blooded, low adaptability ambush predator.

In the opposite direction, the adaptable rat has done much better than the countless specialized species that have disappeared since the industrial revolution and human explosion.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Cold blood probably makes a lot of sense for an aquatic ambush predator that needs to lie motionless for most of its life. Keeping that body warm the whole time wastes a lot of energy, especially under water. If you conserve energy, you can go longer without food which is important if you are waiting for food to come to you rather than seeking it out.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Natural selection selects for what works well enough. In a more rapidly changing environment, adaptability is what often gets selected for. But in the case of species like the kakapo that live in stable, slowly changing environments, it selects for reproductive stability. The kakapo has a fairly intricate, complicated reproductive cycle that requires specific conditions. This effectively results in their population growth being very very flat. Good for environments that are incredibly stable so they dont really experience boom and bust cycles but if they find themselves in a rapidly changing environment, their population crashes and they dont recover quickly.

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago

Survivability and reproducibility, yes.

[-] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Not exactly. There are some species which haven't changed all that much for millions of years, and those have certainly managed excellent adaptability.

Others, though, might find themselves evolving to cope with the climate right now at the expense of being vulnerable to some future problem. Say the climate is very hot, but in a few tens of thousands of years there'll be an ice age. An animal which is well adapted to the ice age will probably go extinct before it arrives, having all been eaten by an animal well adjusted to the heat which is here right now.

"In the end" isn't useful if you get outcompeted in the meantime

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago

That was one of the points they made about the two big Devonian extinctions. They said it may have involved a warming, followed by an ice age, followed by another warming, all in rapid succession. The cartilaginous fish came through, the armored fish were all wiped out.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago

There are some species which haven't changed all that much for millions of years

Like... crocodiles?

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

The biggest one (aside from obvious examples like sponges and jellyfish) has got to be dragonflies. The original dragonfly was as big three-dimensionally as a footlong sub from Subway, though it was a breathing machine (like us, so let this be a true fable for us to learn from) as it needed oxygen that wasn't in large enough supply. So it simply shrunk in size to adapt once all the air ran out and there was no Druidia to restore it, and ever since then, we've had the same tiny dragonfly model ever since, for almost a billion years.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago
[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 9 months ago

Conifers don't have a bite force of 20,000 newtons and stomach acid that can disolve bone.

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[-] nycki@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Sort of, but only long term. Evolution is slow and climate change is fast.

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

Well humans don't really rely on their physicality to survive in their environment. They moved to different locations a little shelters even mechanically improve the area.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Right. We're the most adaptable animals on the planet, and we've thrived.

[-] subspaceinterferents@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Variation, selection, heredity, time.

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Well you wouldn't want to be a fish out of water now would you

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