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[-] vd1n@lemmy.ml 128 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know how I feel about that. They both deserve to be treated like cartel criminals. NOTHING LESS.

You gotta realize criminals and street life is the same as the mainstream. Please trust me.

[-] ColonelSanders@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Rationalizing one as being the 'lesser evil' is basically just shifting the Overton window. Both are evil. Both deserve to lose. If they can make each other lose that would be ideal but if only one wins, we all still lose.

[-] insomniac@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

It’s odd to me people think Elon is more evil anyway. He’s definitely louder and stupider but way less responsible for tearing apart the fabric of our society. And some of his projects have been a net positive.

They should both lose to death but if we’re gonna make the comparison, Zuckbot is hands down more evil.

That being said, it will still be hilarious if zucc beats the shit out of Elongated Muskrat.

[-] BurningnnTree@lemmy.one 10 points 1 year ago

Agreed, I may have more of a gut level disdain for Elon, but Zucc is clearly way worse because of the way Facebook's algorithms have harmed society.

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[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 63 points 1 year ago

Fuck Elmo but I just don't want Meta to replace Twitter's social media niche. I would prefer if Mastodon would be the next "Twitter" but at this point I would be okay with Bluesky too. The Meta cancer is already big enough and has too much influence.

[-] MisterMoo@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

I'd rather have a moderated site replace Twitter at this point, even if it's run by Meta. My first choice is for an intuitive non-Meta alternative to rise to prominence, ideally in the fediverse, but I think Mastodon had its chance and its unintuitive nature was too challenging for a critical mass of lay people. It needs to be: sign up, start posting. Instead it's: sign up, choose your server. Huh? You're already losing people.

All this has already been covered but it has to be simple and intuitive and that's what Threads is offering and Mastodon isn't.

[-] HappySerf@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Exactly this. Anything too challenging for a third-, grader is done before it starts in terms of mass acceptance.

[-] GunnarRunnar@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

I think everyone in the ActivityPub hopes Mastodon is the next Twitter but other than that, it's a tie between the all three. I think Bluesky has the best chance since it has the cleanest plate but it'll absolute turn into a shit hole like the rest.

Cohost would be cool.

[-] vulnerability@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

yeah people are giving too much power to a single company.

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[-] complacent_jerboa@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

No, the correct answer is "fuck both of them". You don't need Twitter, you definitely don't need Threads.

You don't even need Mastodon for that matter. You don't need a constant drip feed of dopamine. If you need to stay informed, you can just use news sites or something.

[-] GoodKingElliot@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

We need discourse. News sites are largely owned by rich men and corporations.

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[-] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Content creators need them though, specially artists.

Tons of artists, specially japanese, are actually moving to mastodon and misskey right now, which is a great sign.

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[-] Logical@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

It's definitely not worth it. Zuckerberg is the bigger fish here, at least within the social media domain. Meta's threads replacing Twitter would make them even more powerful than they already are. I don't like Elon, and it's crazy that he somehow managed to make Twitter even worse than it was, but we really don't need Meta to grow even larger.

[-] ProfezzorDarke@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah exactly. Once the Zucc also reaches out for Tumblr, the last bastion of "Ugh, we don't want Corpos here", we're done. We need to stop both Eloy and Zucc even before that. The Fediverse needs to fight an active war, we're already living the Cyberpunk Dystopia.

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[-] Lunar@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This sentiment is so fucking wrong. Please, for god's sake, please understand that Zuckerberg is NOT the lesser of two evils here. Meta facilitated a genocide by artificially promoting hateful content to boost engagement, quietly and without obvious consent performed behavior experiments on its users, and so much fucking more that the two aforementioned points barely even scratch the surface.

You people are trading being punched in the face with being beaten senselessly with a baseball bat.

[-] k110111@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago

Add cambridge analytica as well, it used to be all over the news but now everyone already forgot about it

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[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 year ago

That's like rooting for Himmler to win because you hate Hitler.

[-] jkure2@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I'm losing my mind!!! Ahhhhhhhhh people are so fucking stupid

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you not know what analogies or metaphors are? Like, you do know that the person you replied to wasn't comparing either of these men to Hitler or Himmler, right?

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[-] SuperRyn@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

how about both twitter and threads die and the people win?

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

But then whose boot do we get to lick?

[-] Amazed@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

Forgive me, but is the answer “Your mom’s”… ?

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[-] QubaXR@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Trading one asshole billionaire for another is a losing game. The only losers are users of these services.

It's like two giant Mecha robots fighting while a crowd of fans of one or the other are cheering on the ground and being squished.

[-] HornyOnMain@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ngl, i'd rather twitter wins since it's imploding already so it will hardly survive for much time after it beats threads down

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah there's nobody taking the Zucc down a peg. Dudes a literal machine.

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[-] KrimsonBun@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I want them both to lose. Twitter dying would be in some ways, a victory for the people. But giving zucky more control over people's lives is a horrible idea, especially when you take into account meta's past. But we don't have much say in what happens there, so we gotta learn to fight back.

Threads is banned in Europe which will probably leave a lot of people sad, if you ask me that's the perfect opportunity to advertise mastodon and other fediverse projects to your friends, family, etc. Talk about it on bigger platforms if you still have an account on them, engage with posts and videos about the fediverse and how to use it so we can get them into the algorithm. Every little bit helps, we can do this.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

I want them both to lose.

I read this one sentence and immediately imagined a Celebrity Deathmatch type scenario where Mark and Elon and beating the shit out of each other, but in the end Jeff Bezos shows up and just drops like Scrooge McDuck's entire vault on the other two billionaires and claims the victory.

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[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

In the fight against one evil should we really join another evil to do that

[-] quantenzitrone@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

No. Meta needs to die.

[-] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

So here's what we do: we let Threads kill Twitter. Then, when Twitter is dead, we kill Threads.

[-] Rengoku@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

'we' = 500k people or so

'them'= 2 fucking billion people

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Lesser of two evils has never gotten us anything but evil.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

this one isn't even a lesser evil

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[-] graphite@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Elon is fine in comparison; he's far less of a problem than Meta is.

The platform at this point may as well already be doomed because of people like you.

Really - it's like I'm reading the posts of Reddit manchildren who will forever retain their virginity because they're incapable of understanding how things actually get done.

I guess you can't expect much these days.

What's going to happen next? Meta dominates the platform, you and the rest of your kind "protest", then you fuck off somewhere else and pretend you "won", while sucking each other off only for a repeat to happen sometime later?

Are you going to wear your fedoras?

[-] JayLittle@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I loathe both Musk simps and Zuck simps equally.

A pox on all of your houses.

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[-] sneezy@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

still don't want zucc to win, tho

[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

The worst part is that they will ppv the fight and split the earnings. I personally don't give a shit about this fight but know a ton of people will pay to watch these two fuckwads fight

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

There's a lot of wisdom in that.

You don't need either of them and if you feel that you need this kind of site then mastadon will work fine until you figure out that you don't

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the funniest part of this whole thing is how Musk insists Meta MUST have poached employees from Twitter, as if Twitter has this revolutionary sauce that just can't be replicated at all.
Bluesky is even closer to Twitter's UI than Threads and I don't see Musk bitching about it at all.

[-] Nahvi@reseed.it 6 points 1 year ago

What has the world come to when people actually think Zuckerberg is the lesser of two evils.

Musk is starting to look like a bit of an asshole, but Zuckerberg is the king of assholes.

Where would the EV market be without Musk buying Tesla? The Prius hybrid would probably still be the most electric thing on the market.

Where would private space exploration without his founding of SpaceX? We would still be waiting for the next US President to cancel their predecessor’s NASA plans and make new plans.

Where would be without Zuckerberg? Probably using a myspace clone with a lot more UI flexibility and crazy banner ads.

Musk put self-driving EV cars on the road and William Shatner in space. Zuckerberg convinced people to give them their data then monetized it and used that knowledge against them.

[-] Mayoman68@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

My opinion on that is that someone would've done what musk have money for at some point as well. All of those companies were mostly rehashed concepts that became viable due to faster computers, better materials, and better battery technology. I usually don't say this about actual inventions made by scientists and engineers, but most of the time billionaires just provide a concept and daddy's money and that really doesn't take a lot of skills that I think are worth anything.

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[-] badavase@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago
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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Why use either?

Theres mastodon as a twitter replacement.. lol

[-] Little8Lost@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

but why use threads when you could use mastodon? When threads enters the fediverse it is like the ad free version of threads (from a threads user perspective)

[-] LostCause@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I‘d enjoy it if they both lose money/attention and more of it went to the devs and admins of all these instances I like. Unlikely, but I can dream.

[-] TheSaneWriter@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Fair enough. Honestly both of them are rather irrelevant to me because I don't use microblogging social media platforms, so I have no stake in the fight.

[-] grue@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

That's a naive position. The fact that so many other people use those services means you will be made to care because of their influence on politics etc. Oligarchs like Musk and Zuckerberg having disproportionate control over the public discourse is a threat to you whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

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[-] spidertongue@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It's really a choose your poison situation

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