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[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 60 points 2 years ago

Most of the time people are pretty cool, but when people aren't cool all the cool people need to be like "hey, that's not cool, so be cool or you need to leave" and thus the coolness is enforced.

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Additionally because of game theory, a "rat" will always exploit everybody's chillness. It'd be great to not spend a cent on the military but Russia is a rat that uses this opportunity to invade its neighbors. Inevitably you will have to invest in some kind of law enforcement.

[-] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 2 years ago

Anarchist movements have military as well, in need they can pick a commander to lead them whose power can be dissolved at any time even without finding an alternative commander. Commanders power is not enforced and anyone can not listen to them. These armies where most efficient in the past, but they were most of the time defeated because both right-wing and so call "left-wing" communist fight them. This is what happened during anarchist movement in Spain, which no one seems to talk about.

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I'd be more concerned how to disarm the military. Giving someone power, and them willingly giving it back never works. There have been times when a country had no effective military and mere civilians banded together but these were very rarely effective combat forces.

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[-] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This guy cools

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago
[-] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 2 years ago

Direct democracy isn't supposed to be passive, but in every anarchist community, it is collectively enforced. Republicans (and anyone else) should be actively fought not to be in power, but that doesn't mean by simply giving someone else power to rule over you. We can simply agree to collectively fight anyone who tries to be in power, we can follow who we want in this fight, but no one should force us to follow them and anyone who tries should be collectively fought against as well.

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[-] ChemicalPilgrim@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

You ever been in a room where one psychotic person seems to set the whole tone? That's the world without governments. Anarchy inevitably leads to misery, so let's come up with the best government we can.

[-] janAkali@lemmy.one 30 points 2 years ago

I thought about this for some time. An anarchy would always collapse into governed state.

First, imagine the perfect scenario where there no authority and world is just a lot of tiny city-sized communities. It would take just a single bad actor to form a state, start invading neighboring communities and growing in power. In response - other communities would be forced to group into increasingly bigger states to have a chance to oppose influence from bigger/richer states.

This thought experiment also works if violent takeover is replaced by economic one. Think of cartels and monopolies.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Until they hit another group that is either bigger or stronger and opposed to their way of doing shit. Really no different than how shit works now. Because you certainly wouldn't be free to murder and steal and rape and enslave or whatnot even in an anarchistic society; people who don't want you doing that shit would stop you or punish you.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

And some of those groups would form some ways to manage shit and conduct wars, leading us probably back to governments.

[-] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 4 points 2 years ago

If you looked up on this subject first, you would know that humans where anarchist for 95% of our existence. There is a good youtube channel "What is politics?" that talks about this. Even today, there are anarchist communities and there where in the past in the modern world, some of them are still going on, some of them where destroyed by outside force, some of them dissolved into state power.

[-] sarchar@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago

Citation needed. I think we'd be fine.

[-] ChemicalPilgrim@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

No where on earth has anarchy, the places that have it for a few days spontaneously develop order through gangs, warlords, or the intervention of more stable societies

[-] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 4 points 2 years ago

This person doesn't know how to search for things on the Internet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities You should know that for 95% of huiman existence almost all tribes where anarchist. There is a good youtube channel “What is politics?” that talks about this.

[-] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago

He's wrong about "a few days", but that article does not support your case that anarchism works

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[-] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 5 points 2 years ago

This in not true at all. In all anarchist communities, equality is strictly enforced and anyone who tries to get a hold on power is either kicked out or murdered.

[-] rhacer@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

Absolutely works for me that's a very anarchistic take.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Being president should be like jury duty. Everyone has to do it eventually. And it sucks just as much so everyone tries to weasel out of it.

[-] evidences@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I've done jury duty once, my group didn't even get called into the court room so the worst part was just listening to the conversations of 50 other people bitching about how they had better things to do, such children.

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[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

I wish people would just agree to be nicer to each other ;-;

(I got yelled at by my boss the other day, can you tell?)

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Your boss sounds like a turd! I don’t understand people who do that. I understand being frustrated, but yelling is a grade school response.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Bill and Ted. Joni Mitchell. They knew.

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-Peter Kropotkin

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

In this thread: people that don't know how to be cool.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

Ok. I’ll even share my snacks with you guys.

[-] thero@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

You bring chips, I bring soda

[-] swab148@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I'll bring queso!

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I'm conflicted. I'm worried about sociopath taking advantage of the lack of government, but on the other hand I'm not sure it's worse than the current solution where said sociopaths are the government.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

In most systems where you can end up with no Prime Minister / President for a temporary period* the civil servants keep going. So it's not like there's no government.

* Usually it's because political parties are having trouble forming coalitions or a run off condition in countries with a history of electoral uhh ... Shenanigans.

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[-] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

At some point Belgium didnt even had a government so its completely possible

[-] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 3 points 2 years ago

Some still don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities Even in past for 95% of human existence almost all tribes where anarchist, there is a good youtube channel “What is politics?” that talks about this.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Poland managed without an elected government for about a year. Heard it was nice.

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[-] Ascend-910@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago
[-] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 5 points 2 years ago

Becuase only presidents are keeping us from all killing each other? You should read more about existing and past anarchist societies. There is always a lot (if any) violence in anarchist societies, because there are simply no incentives to do it in a place where there is no police to arrest anyone who wants to murder you if you even insult them. All violance and structures of power are very dangerous to anarchist societies so they are very strictly enforced,

[-] Sinistar@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

There's a guy who was really into bread who wrote a whole book about this.

[-] Conyak@lemmy.tf 4 points 2 years ago

That is how you end up with someone like Dwight Schrute as a boss.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago

That's how you get a Chairman.

Once they get comfy, they're quite hard to get rid of.

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[-] EurekaStockade@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

How do you get shit done without executive branch of the government?

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