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[-] 1bluepixel@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 year ago

I have to believe this is just posturing for the people at home on the part of Zelenskyy. He has to know immediate membership of Ukraine into NATO means direct war with Russia leading to nuclear escalation, as Ukraine would immediately invoke Article 5.

Just saying "Ukraine will be invited to NATO once the conflict is over" is enough; it means whatever territory Russia gets to keep over the course of this conflict is it, because then Ukraine becomes NATO territory. It forces Russia to try and win it all (which they can't) because there won't be another invasion of Ukraine.

[-] ritswd@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been thinking too. Zelenskyy had to know that a NATO invitation right now is not realistic. I think it’s posturing to invite constituents in other countries to also act offended that Ukraine isn’t helped more, which then would be in the form of more war support, since it can’t really be much else. Can’t blame him for always taking all opportunities to get more support.

[-] Relo@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Since yesterday I've been wondering:

If NATO declares that Ukraine joins after the war, wouldn't that mean for Putin that he can't sell a peace deal to his people?

[-] 1bluepixel@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I think you're right. And I think NATO wants Russia to completely commit to a war they can't win until the government collapses and/or rethinks its global strategy.

[-] yata@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Not really. He controls the media narrative in Russia, he can tell his people whatever he wants, and hypocrisy and contradictions has never been any problem for him. He has already long since altered his reasons for attacking Ukraine and succesfully fed the Russian population those reasons, and he will keep doing it every time reality threatens to undermine his lies.

[-] dudebro@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

So tired of people saying we shouldn't fight Russia because they may fight back.

[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Because he wants nuclear annihilation.

[-] eyy@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago

I'm sure Zelenskyy knows this isn't realistic, it's just politicking.

[-] Waldhuette@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes absolutely. Nobody should expect them to join antyime soon

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Does Zelensky actually think he's joining NATO? America won't let go of such an easy proxy war puppet otherwise NATO would have 60+ members by now.

[-] f15h@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago

I was also under the impression that it was standard practice not to admit new NATO members currently engaged in a conflict. Quickly skimming through the literature though, doesn't seem like it's a hard and fast rule.

[-] Ab_intra@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yes and NATO will not admit them unless the war is over. But I would imagine when the war is over they might make a quick proses out of it.

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