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Nikki Haley PAC Out Raises Donald Trump by Millions: Report (themessenger.com)

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Stand for America Fund Inc, a super PAC that supports Nikki Haley, reported on Thursday that it has raised $50.1 million in the second half of 2023 — millions more than Trump-aligned super PAC MAGA Inc., which reported over $46 million.

There are no details from these numbers yet, which were reported by the New York Times, as the Federal Election Commission filing deadline is only Jan. 31.

When it comes to MAGA Inc.'s funds, the super PAC ended the year with over $23 million in cash on hand, according to reports — and counted with over a dozen donors who contributed with $1 million or more.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 113 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Best case scenario is she wins the nomination.
Everyone keeps saying that "Biden's best chance is against Trump".
And while that may be technically true, something people fail to take into account is that under absolutely no circumstances is Trump going quietly.
There's a 0% chance he doesn't run as an independent or write in candidate and split the Republican vote. It's just not going to happen.
And yes, the Republican party could just hand him the nomination and put him up if Nikki wins legitimately, but then they've just disenfranchised everyone that voted for her, everyone that wanted to vote Republican but didn't want to vote for Trump.
And some of those people will vote for Biden, and some may not vote at all.
But as much of a piece of shit as she is, the mess she's making in the Republican party is doing us all a huge favor.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Trump could die tomorrow and he would still get a non-trivial number of votes. Diehard MAGA would be talking about how he's not really dead, that he never stopped being president, and that Trump's hair looks amazing.

[-] 7u5k3n@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago

I'll be willing to bet actual Dollarbucks that he gets write in votes ~10 years or 3 elections after he dies.

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[-] designatedhacker@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago

What are they gonna do, believe "Big Coroner." The same folks that lied to us about COVID deaths! /S if that wasn't obvious.

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[-] Pohl@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago

I agree.

Even barring 3rd party shenanigans leaving dems in control of the WH. Haley will leave when her term is done, trump will not. I’d much rather take my chances on a less than favorable Haley-Biden matchup than make a wild, all-in bet for the future of the republic.

There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.

Agreed. I even thought about requesting a Republican ballot this year for the Ohio primary and voting for her.
I'm voting for Biden in the general either way, but I'd still rather have him up against her.

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm sorry, but I think this whole thread is crazy, Haley could absolutely beat Biden if she somehow managed to get the Republican nomination. Independents will vote against Trump in November because his handling of COVID and January 6 freaked them out, but they don't like Biden at all either and would love to have someone else to vote for. Plus, Haley being a woman will probably go a long ways towards disarming the abortion issue for people who only think about politics for five minutes a year.

[-] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

I agree with you. Hayley worries me more and I think any Republican candidate will put project 2025 into action. I think Hayley will disarm a lot of worries specifically because she's not Trump, female, and people will vote for her partly to have the first female president. If she ends up being the nominee, the new nonsense against Biden will be about him being sexist which at least some people will fall for.

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[-] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Even though I disagree with Haley’s platform, I believe she’d leave office at the end of her term. I believe she’d accept the result of an election she’s lost. I believe that she’d behave with a level of decorum appropriate for the office.

So she’s immediately better than Trump simply by not being a fascist monster. Even if the dems lost to her, I wouldn’t have to worry about democracy suddenly ending or concentration camps for immigrants or nuking random countries and leaving NATO or her encouraging everyone to inject bleach and take horse de-worming pills, at least for 4 years.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago

It's sad that "will behave with decorum and tact" is the bar Republicans continue to struggle to clear.

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[-] ninjan@lemmy.mildgrim.com 57 points 2 years ago

Well Trump has been skinning his base (voters) for money for close to a decade now without really giving them anymore in the wallet while president.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago

If they haven't figured by now that they're being scammed, they never will. The cult leader can do no wrong.

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[-] frunch@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago

Omg imagine if she ends up being the first female president?!? This is just silly, but i do love watching conservative infighting 🍿🥂

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 99 points 2 years ago

It reminds me of the interview that Jordon Klepper did with MAGA voters in 2016.

MAGA woman: A woman can't be president! If she has a hot flash or gets emotional, she could start a war!

Jordon: Haven't all wars been started by men?

MAGA woman: pause

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago

That pause was loooong and incredibly awkward. You could practically hear the gears grinding in her head as she tried to reconcile the cognitive dissonance.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

I cannot wrap my brain around the mental path that leads any woman to support Donald Trump.

Like...why? What on earth does this candidate offer you?

[-] rigamarole@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I asked my mother, so I can answer. She said if he is the Republican nominee, she will vote for him. Extended reasoning is "not a Democrat".

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[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Imma need a link

[-] wren@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago

https://youtu.be/Y4Zdx97A63s?si=PRKhYr21FxaqcQst 1:40 in

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[-] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

As a woman in my 40s I can't even tell you the number of wars I've started during a hot flash and I'm not even the commander in chief of the largest military in the world. If I were though I would have definitely launched nukes on at least 5 occasions just because I was hot for a few minutes.

/s because jfc

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[-] cupcakezealot 10 points 2 years ago

she'd quite frankly be worse than trump. nevermind the fact that she wants a national abortion ban and a national trans care ban

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 43 points 2 years ago

There's no way Trump isn't going to run in November. If he get's frozen out by the GOP he'll declare himself a write in candidate, and if he's barred by SCOTUS he'll run Ivanka.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

He might be dumb enough to think the GOP can run Donald Trump Jr. In his place and not have to change the ballots.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago

Even Eric knows that Ivanka is the smart one.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

So you're saying Biden in a landslide?

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago

Don't jinx us.

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

Has Ivanka even been seen with him since she and Jared walked away with their $2B Saudi deal?

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago

I think there are a great many Republicans who won't vote for a woman for president. Haley would be great for Dems, IMO.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

She's worse than Hillary.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

She's GOP so that's a given. If she becomes the R presidential candidate they just gave the race to Biden though, IMO.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, I don't think so. She's a good debater, there's a reason why Trump was afraid to go on a debate stage with her. She would emasculate him on the debate stage.

And I have a generally high opinion on Biden, but he has visibly aged since the last election in 2020. I'm confident he could put forward his views well in a hypothetical debate with Haley, but his age would be out on full display, much more so than if he were debating someone his age. The story from those debates wouldn't be about what they said, but about the age difference.

I also think Biden only cares about beating Trump. If we find out that Haley is getting the nomination, then Biden will conveniently find out about some health issue that makes him unable to go on, and Harris would take over the ticket. (Too late to have a primary cycle, oh darn!) A Harris/Whitmer ticket stands a much better chance of beating Haley than Biden/Harris.

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago

I admit you might have a point there. That's a good rebuttal to my thinking.

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[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I think you underestimate the "team" aspect. I think even the folks who hate women hate losing more.

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[-] neptune@dmv.social 10 points 2 years ago

Many many Republicans will not vote for anyone but Trump. Look at Mitt Romney. He didn't excite the crazies.

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[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

The Republican party is desperately trying to stay alive by moving away from the crazy but it is still too strong.
Can't win a primary without him, can't win a general with him.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

He wins the primary and has a stroke before the general. Everyone gets what they want.

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[-] swearengen@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

can't win a general with him.

You'd think so but he is leading in the polls and the bettting markets.

I think turnout amongst young voters will be lower than last time for Biden since they have been brainwashed by TikTok on the Gaza issue. Even though the lesser of two evils is clearly Biden especially on Israel and Gaza.

So unless a couple of key states kick him off the ballot Trump will win the electoral college vote. While losing the popular vote by the widest margin to date.

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

First off, ignore the betting markets. They had Trump winning in 2020, too. The kind of people who put money on this stuff aren't the clear-headed, rational sort.

Second, the polls are broken right now. They've been consistently under-counting Democratic votes for years, due to the difficulty of conducting scientifically sound polls in the age of cellphones and the death of land-lines. Seriously, look at polling for the special elections and midterms since 2018 - it's practically homogenous. In election after election, Democrats overperformed the polls.

I'm not saying we don't have to fight like hell - we absolutely do. But we don't have to lose hope, especially with almost a year to go before the first general election ballots are cast.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 24 points 2 years ago

Vote like it's a possibility Trump will win, and vote like it's a certainty that you can stop him.

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[-] swearengen@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago

Second, the polls are broken

Broken is a stretch but we do know which way they leaned and that's not a good sign considering Biden's numbers were overstated.

Most preelection polls in 2020 overstated Joe Biden’s lead over Donald Trump in the national vote for president

https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2021/03/02/what-2020s-election-poll-errors-tell-us-about-the-accuracy-of-issue-polling/

It's not hopeless but the margins are thin, Trump won by 77,000 votes in 2016 and lost by 81,000 in 2020. Biden doesn't have a lot of slack to play with and he's going to be hit hard from all sides including his own thanks to 10/7.

Between inflation, "the border", Ukraine funding, Israel and every country with a vested interest against America influencing people online more than ever before it's gearing up to be a disaster.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 2 years ago

All of this could be avoided with a single drone strike which, according to Trump, would be perfectly legal for Biden to order. I hate this timeline.

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[-] TheDannysaur@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

From everything I've seen, this race is over. New Hampshire was one of the highest populations of Haleys base and she still lost by 10 points.

She would need a very seismic shift in the race to have any prayer of a chance.

And just to be clear, I'm quite liberal. But whenever I write these comments people think I'm for Trump. I just look at the data.

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Split the party.

[-] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I have a gut feeling that if she is the nominee, she will win the general election. I feel like there are a fair number of conservatives who aren't compelled to vote or even would vote for Biden if Trump was the nominee. But without Trump as a motivator, the math changes a bit.

[-] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The only chance she has as the nominee is if Trump is literally dead. Any scenario where she's the nominee and Trump is alive has him splitting the vote too much to give her any shot at all.

Honestly I'm not even sure if his core voters would go for her even if he were dead.

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[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

There's a lot of sexism and racism that could prevent conservatives from voting for her though. It'd be interesting to see.

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