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[-] Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I will be stepping down in ~7-14 days any suggestions on how to find someone that could take care of this community better than me? Thank you.

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[-] fuklu@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It’s not a bug that capitalism is based on greed, it’s a feature. It works (relatively speaking) because it leverages humanity’s shittyness.

Communism has failed to operate without corruption or authoritarianism, because it depends on people actually giving a shit about each other long term.

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Has capitalism operated without corruption or authoritarianism?

[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

has any economic system ever operated without corruption?

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

that's a fair question. it seems like corruption is universal to all systems of organization and therefore not a good measure of the validity of any given system

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In a way: when you legalize the most common forms of corruption and gaslight people into thinking of your favorite kinds of authoritarianism as normal and necessary, suddenly you don't officially have a problem!

That's how the US and many other supposedly free and uncorrupted capitalist nations do it, anyway.

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[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

A note: Most countries subsidise their farmers because those countries realise that leaving food security up to the market is a bad idea.

[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

under communism, food is only produced because the central planning committee set a quota for it. unfortunately, distribution requires resources the central planning committee did not account for and the foodstuffs rot in the fields.

[-] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Capitalism is on of the worst thing happening to humanity. :( It promotes greed and punishes people who aren't greedy. It makes more problem than it answering problems.

[-] Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

And yet people are saying that the system isn't the problem but people. When it's the system that creates and promotes those people.

[-] erasebegin@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Those people are correct. Capitalism is a reflection of our collective misery. Look at how many people are on anti-depressants today, how many are suffering from mental health issues. Our ability to engineer the world to our advantage is not the problem here, that is something human beings are extremely good at. The problem is that we lack the ability to engineer ourselves.

https://youtu.be/L9-WwLCy8XY

[-] Jase@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Can confirm. I'm on disability and cannot afford food and medication and bills at the same time. My Internet will be cut later this month because I did the crime of paying for my medication so I didn't want to kill myself. I am starving but at least I didn't feel like my soul was being drained.

It's just depressing that if I want to feel slightly okay I have to not eat for days so I can justify getting my medication. Or dumpster diving to supplement food, which I'm gonna be doing in a couple hours.

Life is suffering and I'm tired of it.

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[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The gains from capitalism have dropped the costs to produce foods to previously unheard of levels. The productivity of a modern farm is incredible compared to farms of 25, 50, 100 years ago. The amount of labor and land needed to produce the food humanity needs has dropped considerably.

I realize these are not the statements that people posting here want to read, but that's reality. Take the good with the bad because regular capitalism is not bad. Unfettered capitalism is the problem.

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

But that's not because of capitalism, that's because of technological advances. We have centuries of technological advances in agriculture before we even had proto capitalism. There's no reason to believe those advances wouldn't have happened under any other economic system.

[-] tallwookie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

technology advances because people in power pay for it. it doesn't passively increase.

societies eventually stagnate without capital investments into technology.

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You do realize that we have roughly 3-4 millenias of technological advancements, before we even invented early capitalist theory? The vast majority of human history contradicts your statement.

[-] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Absolutely false no matter how much you want to believe otherwise. Capitalism brings about the motivation to improve efficiency unlike anything else.

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[-] Grumble@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well, those yield gains are from capitalism subsidized with government-sponsored ag research at hundreds of college campuses, and subsidized by intellectual property protections for patents and copyrights, and government price supports, and government crop insurance, and government land-bank programs to pay farmers to not overuse the land, and ag labor subsidized by special exemptions for minimum wage and citizenship verifications, as well as tight border controls and political vilification of the immigrant labor force to keep the wages low.

But yeah, when society throws enough money into capitalism and soaks up the external costs, it sometimes delivers results.

In short, modern US agriculture is hardly a good example of either unfettered markets or unfettered capitalism. Big US ag is privatized profits and socialized losses, like a lot of other US industry, albeit with much better PR than (for instance) the banking industry.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

During the pandemic I watched grocery stores buy poison to dump on their trash, which they paid armed people to guard. They then paid other people to haul it away. All this to prevent poor people from taking it away for free.

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