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[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 86 points 10 months ago

That depends entirely on the "people" you're talking to... There's plenty of people who would think of the Avatar films.

[-] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 39 points 10 months ago

I think the vast majority of people, aka normies, would think of the blue dudes.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago

for a long time I have thought both were from the same universe.

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[-] Igloojoe@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I only think of the blue people.

I watched the last airbender movie. It wasnt that good... haha

[-] macmacfire@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

Have you seen the last airbender show? The movie was a soulless mockery of it with absolutely no sense or real inspiration from its source material. If you haven't seen the show, trust me, it's more than more than worth the watch.

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[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 10 months ago

I haven't seen the second Bluvatar movie because the first one was just scifi trope: the movie. He actually named the macguffin "unobtanium" ffs. Not even close to what I've come to expect from the person that gave us The Abyss, Aliens, and T2.

Meanwhile, The Last Airbender is the only cartoon to ever make me cry.

[-] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

The second one felt like an extended visual demo.

I can name 2 characters from the entire movie. And one of them was a side character. Jake Sully and Spider.

The story was inconsequential (meaning everything that happened progressed nothing) and forgettable.

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[-] scops@reddthat.com 15 points 10 months ago

I think the "unobtanium" was just lampshading. It would come off better if the rest of the plot was more innovative or self-aware, but I think they knew what they were doing for that bit at least.

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[-] thirteene@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

FYI since you appear to be stuck on this point. Unobtainium is used in science and engineering for a material that can meet requirements but is too expensive, yet to be discovered or inaccessible by any means. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

That being said bluvatar was a cookie cutter adventure story. Nothing special but it has mass appeal. For those of us who enjoy movies and television typically acknowledge that ATLA has a rich story, tons of depth and conveyed meanings and somehow doesn't take itself to seriously. ATLA is a work of art, bluvatar was a cash grab.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Unobtainium is used in science and engineering for a material that can meet requirements but is too expensive, yet to be discovered or inaccessible by any means.

That was their point. It's a sci-fi trope, a stand-in term that describes a thing that doesn't exist, and Cameron decided nah, it's not a stand-in term anymore, that's just what this blue stuff is called. Most fictional media names it Adamantine, or Vibranium, or Stellarium, or something.

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[-] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Haven't seen the second one, but honestly the first one was just fine. Like, it's not in my top ten or anything, but it not bad by any stretch. And there's nothing wrong with calling something "unobtanium," have you seen what we've named actual elements in real life? Or what some place names are like?

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I used that as an example of how tropey it was. "Unobtanium" is literally the name of the nigh impossible fetch quest trope and has been for decades.

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[-] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago

Avatar is one of the greatest animated shows to have been released in at least the last 30 years

[-] na_th_an@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

It's the greatest animated kids show ever made.

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[-] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

It's got the anime problem for me, too much filler...

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

I disagree.

Many of the manga-based anime were produced in parallel with the manga, so they would need those filler episodes to kill time. They were also adapting a fixed media with iconic images, so frozen poses of each character reacting to something "needed" to be included. Same thing with freeze-frame fight sequences, or extended power-up poses. That sort of filler could stretch a single chapter into three or four episodes. And then sometimes they would just make up some crazy shit for a few episodes. Oh no, the heroes have to fight a dinosaur somewhy.

With Avatar, there was no manga, and no need to fill time. The episodes were planned as part of the series, written and storyboarded for television.

Maybe the pacing wasn't always great, and there are some less exciting episodes. Appa was lost for way too long. But that's not the same sort of filler problem that anime struggles with.

[-] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

It has an amount of filler, sure, but far from your typical anime. As someone that just finished rewatching it while separately watching through Naruto, A:TLA is miles better in terms of less filler.

If you are saying this without ever having finished a full watch through, I would highly recommend giving it another try.

[-] nadwwwimni 6 points 10 months ago
[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago

So it's only 10 episodes?

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[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 10 months ago

The biggest cultural impact from the Avatar movies is on the technology developed that will be used for other movies. The stories, characters and even world-building are not all that great, however the film-making is astounding and will reverberate through the industry for decades.

[-] Blaze@discuss.online 8 points 10 months ago

Definitely, but I feel like the second had a much lesser impact than the first

[-] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago
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[-] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 36 points 10 months ago

It's amazing how this meme/whinging was going on for a decade on the internet, only for James Cameron to make a second movie and even that made 2 billion dollars (and could have surpassed the first one had there not been an outbreak in China).

And even after all of that, you guys actually think that people don't care or remember about the films?

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

I think that people know and care about the films, but I've never seen anyone make a reference to it outside of discussions that are explicitly about it

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 10 months ago

The films are super popular but again after the sequel it was like everyone immediately went back to literally never mentioning the Na’avi or Pantera.

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[-] MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Yes, lots of people watched it, but it never made the cultural impact that The Last Airbender had on society at large. A lot of people remember the movie for it's stunning visuals, and remember the general themes in the movie, but not the actual characters because they weren't particularly memorable.

The Last Airbender had a very compelling story, loveable characters with phenomenal development and it stuck with people.

How many times have you heard someone make a reference to the movie other than talking about it's visual mastery? People use The Last Airbender in everyday conversations.

To demonstrate how many people engage with the fandoms: James Cameron's Avatar has 5,127 fanfiction stories on AO3, and 1678 stories on FFN, and The Last Airbender has 41,627 fanfics on AO3, and 47,680 on FFN.

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[-] Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I disagree: for most of my country, whenever the term 'Avatar' was mentioned before WotW was announced, it was always that movie with the blue aliens that blew away their minds back in 2009; most of the adults, whenever we discussed the latest hollywood flicks always asked me if there was any news about the second movie. the visuals of Avatar was something that stuck deeply with them

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 10 months ago

The movies seem to be something for the cinema. I think they lose a lot of magic at home, mostly because they were designed 100% for the 3d tech which is now dead.

You could show it in VR, but wearing a headset for 3 hours is not going to be a particularly enjoyable experience, and nobody really seems interested in bringing them all to VR anyway. Apparently Disney are planning on having it on the ludicrously expensive Apple VR thing, so hopefully somebody will rip it in it's variable framerate 3D glory so I can watch it on my lesser peasant VR headset.

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[-] Binthinkin@kbin.social 18 points 10 months ago

Avatar was just Fern Gully remastered.

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[-] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 10 months ago

for millions of people, avatar has nothing to do with either movies or shows. it means incarnation of god in human form.
more accurate term would perhaps be western people.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 14 points 10 months ago

When I hear "avatar" I think of a PFP.

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[-] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Meh, I've always got to ask because while it's certainly only every going to be the first thing in my mind I know way more people that have watched the movie with blue people and not the show.

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

I hear "Avatar", I instantly think "Ultima".

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[-] capital@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

So small that I took a good 20 seconds to remember what the other Avatar even was lol.

[-] Microw@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

I first thought this was a stab at Korra..

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

When I saw Avatar in the theater in 2009, it was a family outing while visiting relatives. I thought it was an Avatar: The Last Airbender movie and wondered why everyone had chosen it. I knew very little about Airbender (still don't), but must have seen previews or something for the actual Airbender movie that came out in July the next year, while I somehow missed seeing anything about Avatar. It was maybe five minutes into the movie when I realized this wasn't a preview for some sci-fi flick, it was the actual movie I was there to see.

[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Movie is shit, the more recent one is ok but still nothing does justice to the show XD

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[-] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It has an entire section of Animal Kingdom dedicated to it in Disney World and both movies made a stupid amount of money breaking multiple records. It had plenty of impact of pop culture, just look at how often people say this exact thing on a regular basis without a shred of self awareness. I love ATLA but this claim has always been silly.

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

When the land at Disney was announced the most enthusiastic responses were "well alrighty then."

Avatar is indeed a spectacle. But you're not going to hear people gush over a fireworks show, even though everyone on town shows up.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

I feel like it doesn't really count if the only thing you're widely known for is how little impact you've had on the world. Everyone knows Avatar's name, everyone has seen it, and maybe 5% of the people who saw it can quote a single line from it

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 10 points 10 months ago

Everyone knows the theme song though.

I'm blue, da ba dee...

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[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Avatar of Khaine for me.

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