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[-] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 306 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Holy shit.

I thought this was just going to be a matter of poor security implementation or crappy feature sets.

Turns out they converted the company into a loan shark operation owned by Chinese ad companies

when the Opera browser continued losing users (due to competition from Google and Apple), the company shifted gears to building mobile apps that provided predatory short-term loans. The interest rates on those loans ranged from 365-876% per year, and loan terms from 7-29 days.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 160 points 11 months ago

This behavior is just beyond batshit. Before anyone decides tl;dr, the article is well worth a read.

I had a hunch that Opera was circling the drain when I started seeing them sponsor Youtubers. A general rule of thumb is that no company that has anything worth a shit devolves to sponsoring Youtube videos. I had no idea about the predatory loans thing, or the crypto scam chasing thing, or the ripping off ChatGPT thing...

Back here in reality, there is no reason anyone should be using any other browser than Firefox. There is one organization left in this arena still devoted to protecting privacy, maintaining open standards, and a fair and open web for all. And it ain't Google, it ain't Microsoft, and it ain't Opera.

[-] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 77 points 11 months ago

And it’s always been Firefox since day one. Out of the ashes of Netscape Navigator rose Firefox and Mozilla have been one of the only bastions of the free and open web ever since. I honestly don’t understand why anyone would use another browser.

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[-] hoshikarakitaridia@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago

I do not agree with your generalisation of YouTube sponsorships, but with the rest I absolutely agree with.

Honestly, I read something about Opera being vaguely connected to shady Chinese companies right before I started recommending ppl to switch away from Opera or Opera GX. Glad I stuck to that, looks like my intuition did not fail me.

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[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Wow. Deleting the app now.

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I was a huge fan but the moment they changed the engine it was just Chrome in different skin. And later the news that they were bought by a Chinese firm doing shady stuff just confirmed that it was the right decision.

I am sad that they did not open source the engine. Somebody leaked it, but no one serious would touch it for legal reasons.

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[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 173 points 11 months ago

PSA: The old Opera guys have a new browser, Vivaldi.

It's quite nice and I use it daily.

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's a rebranded chromium with some extra bloat. Just like his older brother Chinese Chromium, Opera, and their edgy cousin, Microsoft Chromium. All following the example of Papa Chrome.

[-] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 23 points 11 months ago

Don't forget about their outdated-hIpster friend, Brave Chromium.

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[-] lone_faerie 164 points 11 months ago

I knew not to use Opera GX as soon as they started sponsoring youtubers. I swear, youtube sponsorships are like anti-ads. 9 times out of 10 they're doing something sketchy.

[-] CatLikeLemming 71 points 11 months ago

When I see a product I already use being promoted by YouTubers in sponsored segments, I immediately question if I should be using it, even if I'd have happily continued had I never seen that sponsorship.

[-] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 32 points 11 months ago

Lol, now that I think of it I had never seen a YouTube ad or sponsor where I would say "this is an ethical and fairly priced product without a catch that I would like to buy"...

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[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 139 points 11 months ago

Opera invested $30 million in the crypto startup ICST that same year, and the startup's CEO was arrested four days later for financial crimes.

LOL

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 82 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Explain why don't just clickbait me.

Man its fucking sad what's become of Opera. They gave us tabbed browsing, CSS, and lots of other stuff and then just like that, they became another uninteresting Chromium fork and its been straight to the shitter since.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

Many of the O.G. Opera devs founded Vivaldi after Opera was sold to Chinese investors. It's Chromium, but it has a considerable number of excellent power user features

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[-] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago

Hindenburg is an investment firm that researches publicly-traded companies and shorts their stocks if they find sufficient evidence of investor fraud before releasing its report.

What a wild business plan. I'm amazed it's legal.

[-] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

It's kinda scummy to manipulate the market as such, but it's much more scummy to partake in the fraud.

[-] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 31 points 11 months ago

They're like the anti-hero of this story.

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[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 60 points 11 months ago

Stop using Chromium.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 58 points 11 months ago

I don't want to touch any Chromium-based browser. Firefox all the way.

[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

Vivaldi has been a better option for those who love the feel of Opera. But Firefox is an overall better package imo

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[-] fixerdude2@lemmy.ca 53 points 11 months ago

I stopped using Opera when the CCP bought up the company a few years ago.

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[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Vivaldi Browser is headed by some of the original founders of Opera ASA and is a reasonably good alternative to Google Chrome, MS Edge, Safari and new Opera itself.

Alternatively, use Gecko-based browsers such as Firefox/Waterfox/Iceraven.

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[-] jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 40 points 11 months ago
[-] laurelraven 29 points 11 months ago

Opera died when they killed Presto and pretended they couldn't make anything like that with blink.

Then the old ones made Vivaldi and proved that was a damned lie.

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Just install firefox / waterfox / etc. and be done with it.

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 26 points 11 months ago

...groundfox, and airfox! With all the foxes of infinity collected, I can finally be free.

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[-] bramblepatchmystery@slrpnk.net 30 points 11 months ago

As somebody whose wife just downloaded opera onto the family computer I am horrified.

She's been complaining that the internet is slow and has blamed it on protonvon, so has resorted to turning the vpn off when using the internet or discord.

I remember after Twin Peaks season 3 came out, showtime was stating left and right how profitable the show was, and then accusations started flying that the show was so profitable because showtime was taking over the browser while people were watching and mining bitcoin in the background without telling people they were doing so.

I trust Opera about a thousand times less just because I had never hears of them until a week or two ago.

[-] Ashelyn 26 points 11 months ago

Opera has been in the web browser playing field for a long time at this point, but haven't been super relevant until the last couple years due to GX

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[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They did some awesome browsers back in the early 2000s. I couldn't think about browsing the web without Opera Mini back then.

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[-] Anarki_ 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is unlikely to get the Opera GX fanboys to switch.

Good article though. Fuck that noise.

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[-] Localhorst86@feddit.de 26 points 11 months ago

I fondly remember the old opera days, up until the latest presto version, 12.18. If you knew what you were doing, you were able to fully customize the entire browser, all of it's toolbars and context menus, it was incredible.

Once they switched over to the Blink engine, all of that was lost. It's entire USP gone, just like that.

I've tried Opera 2 or 3 years back, just to see what it is like, and it's just another pointless chromium based browser, offering nothing to keep me using it, and the more i see posts and ads from this company, the more I feel like I made the right choice.

I've also tried the "spiritual successor" to Opera 12, Vivaldi, but it too couldn't win me back over from Firefox.

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[-] StorageB@lemmy.one 24 points 11 months ago

The feature I absolutely love on Opera mobile is it will dynamicly wrap text and adjust the page layout to a single column when you zoom in/out. So for pages with small text, you can zoom in to see enlarged text and just scroll down to read - where on all other browsers you have to scroll horizontally back and forth to read the enlarged text.

Opera has been doing this brilliantly for at least 10 years, and I have yet to see this on any other mobile browsers I've tried.

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[-] steve_floof@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago

In other news: stop using Netscape

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Firefox with vertical tabs works great for me.

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[-] Yoz@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago
[-] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Switched to Vivaldi last year and haven't looked back. Did some side by side with FireFox for a month or two on my phone. I have a cheap 2022 Moto G something or other, running whatever Android it shipped with.

I guess that like a lot of people, I don't like having apps tracking stuff, but my work requires me to have access to Facebook, Insta, Threads, and the like... so, I just use browser shortcut widgets for them instead (I should quit my job, I know, I know... working on it). Both Firefox and Vivaldi immediately figured out that I wanted to run them in containers so that was great. However, Vivaldi runs all of them so smooth where as Firefox just kind of stumbles around. Some of them would refuse to work some days, just bringing up the web browser container and then crash. Facebook dot com was the worst... there were issues with the UI not showing me the text input bubbles and latency with button presses was terrible... like needing a refresh to show a "like" or even that a notification was read. It was almost unusable. Bizarrely, Outlook was also bad on FireFox... like that's a fairly bog standard email client and "productivity" site, but on FireFox it would crash more than it worked. Vivaldi handles all of the sites/platforms I need like I'm running the apps.

Maybe it's something with my cheap ass phone and Motorola's bloatware, but Firefox crashed and burned more than it worked. I cannot recommend Vivaldi enough.

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