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Defederation Policy (lemmy.fmhy.ml)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by nbats@lemmy.fmhy.ml to c/freemediaheckyeah@lemmy.fmhy.ml

What is Defederation?

Defederation means we have disconnected our instance from another, and users from our instance will no longer be able to see anything (communities, posts or comments) coming from it, and their users won't be able to see anything coming from ours.


What will get an Instance Defederated?

Our goal is to avoid defederation, but we will do so under the following circumstances:

  • The instance spreads overwhelming amounts of drama, hate or negativity.

  • The instance is mostly made up bots, and or promotes spam.

  • The instance allows the harassment or doxxing of others.

  • The instance knowingly hosts CSAM or other illegal content.


Has FMHY Defederated Instances?

Only two, both for breaking the 1st rule above:

  • exploding-heads

  • lemmygrad


Things to Note:

  • There are circumstances where we may block a specific community within an instance, rather than blocking the entire instance itself, but this is very uncommon.

  • Remember that if there's a community you don't like, you can block it entirely in settings.

  • Keep in mind that our goal is to keep this community safe, so if you see something that breaks our rules please don't hesitate to report it.

  • If its something urgent, you can always contact us easily via Divolt 💬. Its connected to our discord, so there are mods online 24/7.

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[-] wowitsverycool@lemmy.fmhy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

Oh, thank god for defederating exploding-heads.

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[-] nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

I really like that you are codifying policy like this.

The "instance is mostly made up by bots" is obviously a great call but your wording makes it sound like <50% bots is cool, >50% bots is not cool. haha

[-] ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

The hysterics over the as yet purely hypothetical prospect of Facebook/Threads being on the fediverse, along with some worrying signs of censorship, have caused me to to flee lemmy.world. Here’s hoping FMHY will be a better fit for me.

[-] subway@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

It became the largest instance and the one to absorb most of the attention-seekers that expect to be treated as "customers", despite the instance admin (of lemmy.world) emphasizing they're all volunteers working for the community.

[-] kuna@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Threads already violates rules 1 and 3, hosting people who escalated their harrassment into real life multiple times already, so I hope the decision to block them (should they ever choose to federate) is a no-brainer to FMHY admins.

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[-] bit10111100@lemmy.fmhy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Can always check https://lemmy.fmhy.ml/instances . Blocked Instances are at the bottom

[-] jray4559@lemmy.fmhy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

I would have preferred to have a no-defederation policy (except for maybe threads due to EEE fears), but as long as it is not swung around constantly, I am okay with it.

The two that are blocked are political circlejerks that I personally dislike anyways. I am hopeful there is not more.

[-] hellequin67@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

If Lemmy supported user instance blocking I would agree with you, but until then this is the best option available.

[-] Kaizen@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

We want to use defederation as a last resort and hopefully when users are able to block instances themselves we'll be able to use it even less frequently. I dislike defederation personally as well, and like Nbats stated here, if the community's opinion of those two instances change and the instances themselves make their communities safer we'll refed.

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[-] patch1@lemmy.fmhy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

So what does deferedating from them do for us? I wasn't seeing their content anyway because it wasn't popular enough to end up on all.

Does it have any practical effects for fmhy users?

I personally joined this instance because so many other large ones have massive federation lists. So if the only effect of defederating is to send a message, then I'm not sure I'm for that.

[-] nbats@lemmy.fmhy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah they haven't become a huge issue for us yet, but they have for other instances, and most of our reports of "racism" have come from things posted to exploding. Deferedating isn't to send any sort of message, its just to prevent having issues with them in the future.

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[-] can@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Defederation means we have disconnected our instance from another, and our users will no longer be able to see communities, posts or comments from users on the defederated instance.

It should be noted that it's a two way street, no? They won't see any content from here either?

Also, I thought single community ban from other instances wasn't possible yet? I remember the vlemmy guy saying that before going MIA.

[-] nbats@lemmy.fmhy.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah good point, I just added that it goes both ways. As far as blocking single communities go I don't have all the details but I've been told we've done it for one so far.

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[-] Nollij@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I've been hearing different answers on this lately, particularly regarding Lemmy.world and Beehaw. Beehaw defederated LW, but not vice versa. The result is that no one on Beehaw can see any posts on LW, but users on LW are seeing some posts on Beehaw. It doesn't seem to be a complete cut to all communication.

But that's still something worth bringing up - Here is the list of instances that block FMHY, and are (somewhat) effectively isolated from us here:

https://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=lemmy.fmhy.ml

The only one that's significant is feddit.de. From what I can tell, it's because FMHY has open registration

[-] zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

This is probably outdated since feddit federates with us, I even joined some of their communities.

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[-] Evoke3626@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I just hope this is done as an absolute last resort, and doesn’t become common practice.

[-] nbats@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I don't see it happening at all outside of circumstances like this where the community as a whole is really pushing for it.

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[-] scurzon@rammy.site 8 points 1 year ago

Censorship is cool again 1 month after reddit fucked up

[-] ggt@lemmy.fmhy.ml 33 points 1 year ago

Defederating from people who support bombing innocent people is not censorship 🤦

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 23 points 1 year ago

The US has its own instance?

[-] DarkTides@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Why wouldn't they? Do you not understand that anyone can make an instance and create the community they want, and that if the one they are in doesn't match what they want they can start up their own? You can too.

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 18 points 1 year ago

It was a joke about my countries propensity to support the bombing of innocent civilians under the auspice of “war on terrorism”, not a serious question. I appreciate you offering up that information though, much love.

[-] DarkTides@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

It's been difficult to catch jokes with the amount of people that have still continued to have the old views of social media sites like reddit due to not understanding that people aren't locked to instances they signed up to thinking it is a singular authority. So my mistake.

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 5 points 1 year ago

It’s all gravy, baby. We’re good. I appreciate your impulse was to be helpful and educate me, that’s becoming more rare these days, and it’s so important.

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[-] ggt@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I was referring to lemmygrad.

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 5 points 1 year ago

Hmm. I’ll keep an eye out for such, but I’ve not seen any there. Cheers.

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[-] nbats@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean our goal is to not have to do this, but its up the individual instances to protect their own reputations and neither of the ones we blocked have done that so far. If they clean things up and the communities overall opinion of them changes then we can consider federating with them again but as of now they have too many people against them.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

It's not cool, but if you think defederation is censorship then you can switch to a different instance. This is a non-issue.

[-] SamPond 15 points 1 year ago

This guys's posts are exactly what you'd expect from someone that gets offended when an alt-right instance gets blocked.

[-] Zaphodquixote@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

You really gotta look up what censorship is before you use the word.

[-] DarkTides@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Umm..... What did you think the point of mods on reddit was? The mods we chose to support and followed here to lemmy and kept the community on track?

And you know you can just lurk on here and can use another instance that better fits your idea of the type of conversations you want. There's nothing keeping you from making an account on exploding heads and chatting away with them. You can multiple accounts you know.

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[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

and their users won't be able to see anything coming from ours.

That is not true, beehaw defederated from sh.itjust.works, but we can still see posts from beehaw in our feed. Granted, if we comment, nothing gets sent back to beehaw, only members of sh.itjust.works will see those comments.

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[-] rbits@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Yes, very cool. And about Threads, I will probably block Threads myself just because it's a twitter clone, it doesn't need to be on lemmy. But people should be able to make that decision themselves.

[-] iorale@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I think preemtive defederation/blocking from Threads is the most logical decision for every instance since we are talking about a known hostile company, not something new testing the waters that nobody knows how it will behave, it's Meta being Meta (even if they are trying to hide it behind the "by Instagram" slogan).

[-] Maebbie@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

defederate enough and people will switch, much less friction to just go to a more open instance. much better than what we had with centralized sites.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

Don't defederate enough and people will switch to a less objectionable instance.

It's a balancing act.

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[-] Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago
[-] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Out of curiosity, what’s the deal with exploding-heads? I keep seeing them referenced negatively all over several instances.

Edit: thanks for all the replies! I’ve got it now hahaha

[-] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 31 points 1 year ago

It's basically alt-right spam. Lots of Breitbart links, right-wing culture war mouthpieces and memes, etc.

[-] Nollij@lemmy.fmhy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Breitbart on the mainstream, centrist posts. Most of it's way further out there. I have no idea which ones are inauthentic shitposts and which ones are legit. They are way beyond Poe's Law.

But more important is when they show up on other instances. Everything becomes an argument, dragging down everyone and everything they encounter. This also can't be solved by just blocking the communities on EH, it must be blocked at the community's instance or our (the viewer's) home instance.

[-] ABoxOfNeurons@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago

They're basically /r/the_Donald.

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a fairly far-right instance, which makes it unpopular with many left-leaning members of the fediverse. Tt also tends to export a lot of trolls and drama that cause it to get defederated by mainstream instances that don't want to deal with the moderation hassles.

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[-] Supermariofan67@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

At first I thought it was just some edgy troll community, but it didn't take long for me to find a fairly upvoted comment saying "look, I just don't like immigrants" or something like that. So yeah, seems like that kind of place over there...

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