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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by cll7793@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

It is becoming near impossible to find relevant information from search engines. Duckduckgo, SearXNG, Bing, Google, and so many more mainstream engines have a significantly high noise to signal ratio, and it is getting worse.

Here are a collection of the best search engines I know, please add more to the list.

If no more high quality search engines exist, would it be possible to host your own?

EDIT: Some new discoveries. The addon uBlacklist and filters can block super SEO sites from appearing in search.

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[-] sandwichfiend@c0tt0n.world 78 points 11 months ago

I find all the kagi mentions to be very suspicious

[-] Z4rK@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It’s not, really, I switched from Google some years ago and had accepted my faith with DuckDuckGo, but then tried out Kagi. I use search so much daily for work, the relief of getting quality results again is immense and probably saves me hours per week. I get much better results from Kagi than I got at the end from Google, and I can tune them to my liking:

  • block Pinterest results when I search for images,
  • downprioritize shopping results,
  • rewrite all Reddit links to go to old.reddit.com,
  • unamp google AMP links
  • summarize long texts / documents
  • quick answer from the top 5 results

..and so on and so on. It’s just so effective.

[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago

… suspicious

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[-] m_randall@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago

I always fear it comes across that way when I recommend it to people here. I’m just a very happy user and want to see them succeed.

[-] cabbage@piefed.social 14 points 11 months ago

I find it expensive for what it is (given that I still get a limited number of searches) and I'm not comfortable with some of their ways (I don't want anything to do with AI, and I the idea they have of being nonpolitical seems dangerously naive to me). I also don't like supporting non-FOSS projects all that much.

Still, it's the best search I've found, and I'm paying every month until I find something better. It's worth it.

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

same. specially considering how privacy invasive kagi is.

[-] jcrabapple@infosec.pub 11 points 11 months ago

How is it privacy invasive?

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[-] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

How is it privacy invasive? For example, compared to competition like Google?

[-] dwalin@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Not op, nor i have any experience with kagi, but i suspect there is no way to do an Anonymous search with kagi.

[-] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

copypasting the other comment I made in this thread:

and am I supposed to believe such a bold claim? the only reason they give is "trust me, bro. I pinky promise I'm not logging anything".

You have one account, every search query you make is associated with that account. And even if they aren't selling that ultra sensitive data, I'm sure they are keeping logs to prevent abuse and fix bugs which could be used when a third party gains access to their servers (malicious actors, law enforcement, etc).

And that's assuming that Kagi is not mining and or selling any data themselves, which is a bold assumption given how little we know about their proprietary product. If at least they published the source code, but no. I'm supposed to trust a proprietary black box which could potentially be linking every search query back to me.

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[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

If I had stock/investments in a search engine, you better fucking believe Id also have a bunch of bots crawling for the terms "What is the best search engine" and immediately hijack the convo with bots upvoting my search engine.

I cannot explain how easy it is to do this.

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[-] jcrabapple@infosec.pub 13 points 11 months ago

Why? It's a great search engine that a lot of people find extremely useful.

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I've mentioned it a few times because it's actually good.

[-] m_randall@sh.itjust.works 24 points 11 months ago

Come on over to Kagi! You do have to pay but I use a search engine dozens of times per day so I’m not too bothered by it.

[-] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 11 months ago

Not when they collaborate with brave. Fuck that!

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[-] cll7793@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I've heard a lot of great things about Kagi, though the search limit and subscription is a little off-putting. A self-hosted Kagi would be amazing though!

[-] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago

Kagi has a free trial, 100 searches for free, so you can try it out and see if you like it or not.

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[-] sonovebitch@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

I self-host a SearXNG instance and it works really well.

https://github.com/searxng/searxng-docker

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[-] chirospasm@lemmy.ml 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Even though there's a small monthly cost, the results have been consistent for Kagi. But consistency meets only half of my needs for search: I also want to make decisions quickly from what I find within the contents. If I were to to go to a link, wait for it to load, scroll the content, etc. -- does that listed forum post have the answer I am looking for? Does this news article cover the nuances I have been tracking and would like to read more of? Kagi offers an AI-based summarize feature that helps. And that's been meeting the other half of my needs, as well.

EDIT, an opinion: Search services may well be eventually replaced by small, niche LLMs trained to perform summerization tasks, such as Consensus, which I have used for work research, and Perplexity.ai. The AI summarize feature of Kagi is why I see the service as more useful than straight indexes, even when self-hosted. Kagi is a stepping stone toward this for me, and why I recommend it.

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago

Yandex was way better for searches in russian sources, but it came to shit just like google and also excludes whatever russian government don't like at that point. I searched for some software in it multiple timea and the first link was some noname, probably malware site. It also promotes it's own malware like browser with questionable russian security sertificates and their own Alexa. I'd honestly not include it in any list.

I like DDG and don't switch from it that much. I've also heard Kagi as paid search engine is good, but I've never tried it.

[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Here are some options I use in my rotation.

Brave Search (skip the browser)

Mojeek

Qwant (French)

Yandex (Russian)

Mullvad Leta (Mullvad VPN subscription required)

MetaGer (German meta search)

Startpage (Private Google results)

DuckDuckGo (Private Bing results)

SearXNG and similar self hosted options are awesome, but I’ve found them unreliable.

Be skeptical of Kagi… It’s promoted pretty heavily around here for something that’s not FOSS.

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[-] Toes@ani.social 17 points 11 months ago

I've found duckduckgo works fine for things that aren't recent.

Controversially the bing gpt chat bot works alarming well.

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[-] Krucian@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 11 months ago

I self host a searxng instance and I find the combination of bing, duckduckgo and qwant as the source engines to return decent results. You can use a public instance and choose those engines in settings.

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[-] Ninjazzon@infosec.pub 11 points 11 months ago

This site collects quite a few web search engines: https://www.searchenginemap.com/

[-] Crafter72@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

For everyone who uses searxng, is it great for day to day browsing? Do I require to host my own instance or the setup is as easy as requiring to add "searxng" option on my browser app?

I'm interested to move away from google as it becomes shitty everyday and loses its effectiveness for advanced query (based on my own result compared during 2013 up to pre covid). Bing have weird result on my region so cannot use it, ddg only for occasional use.

Thanks!

[-] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

pick a host from searx.space

Might be a good idea to bookmark this too because sometimes some hosts go down.

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Is "super SEO sites" a catch all term for those 99% filler websites that have a tomato soup recipe (in theory) but actually start out with, "Historical evidence seems to suggest that the tomato was first cultivated in the territory that would eventually become Guam back in 1464..."

I've wondered if we had a common reference term for those? I wish it didn't have a positive connotation though...

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[-] 0oWow@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Brave Search works really well for me, and they have AI responses at the top of the page now that are really good.

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[-] silverhand@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago

Those AI ones like Perplexity.ai, Kagi FastGPT and even Copilot (Bing Chat) give good results not just in the responses, but also in the links they return.

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