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Tesla Cybertruck Owners Who Drove 10,000 Miles Say Range Is 164 To 206 Miles::Also, the charging speeds are below par, but on the flip side, the sound system is awesome and the car is “a dream to drive.”

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[-] farcaster@lemmy.world 132 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sigh. Not this again. Look, I personally really don't like the Cybertruck. I think it's ugly and pointless. But as someone who likes EVs in general I have to call out the usual "the range is so bad lol" BS.

The two drivers who are using the EV said that the maximum range with a full battery was 206 miles and 164 miles with an 80% state of charge.

The range you get when not fully charging the battery is meaningless. It's like partially fueling an ICE and complaining it doesn't deliver the maximum range. Good for a clickbait headline though.

That test was done at a relatively constant speed of 70 miles per hour while the outside temperature was about 45 degrees. The truck was driven fairly aggressively most of the time

Driving aggressively, at high speed, in relatively cold weather is the perfect trifecta to make any EV underdeliver in range. Those are real downsides of EVs (and weather and speed are factors with ICE cars, just more so for EVs) but it's nothing new or specific to this vehicle. And it is not the scenario the EPA uses to come up with range numbers. Perhaps they should, but they don't.

[-] Enk1@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's a truck that's meant to tow and haul loads. Using it for that purpose is a much larger drain on the battery than aggressive driving, and significantly reduces its useful range. If it's getting these numbers just being driven, you can expect a sub-100 mile range per charge when towing. Imagine having to stop to recharge for 30+ minutes for every hour and half of towing you do. Woof.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

t’s a truck that’s meant to tow and haul loads.

A pickup truck towing and hauling loads? What a bizarre idea. I'm pretty sure it's only meant to go to the office, and maybe to the maul on weekends, once in a while.

[-] Enk1@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

If they marketed it as such, but they heavily marketed it as capable as, if not better, at doing truck things than other trucks. And to be fair, most of us knew it was bullshit, but it's impressive how absolutely wrong they were. I mean, Elon said it'd tow a Porsche 911 faster in the quarter than the 911 could run the 1/4 mile itself, and they released a video to prove it...except keen eyed folks quickly noticed that the "finish line" they show is actually the 1/8th mile marker on that drag strip, and the 911 is clearly about to pass the CT at that point. Engineering Explained on YT made a great video detailing how it couldn't beat even the slowest modern 911.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Where do they add the oil to let out giant smoke clouds?

[-] Threeme2189@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[-] farcaster@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Now that is a good point. It's been repeatedly shown how towing drains EV batteries. Then again I'm not sure most buyers of EV trucks plan actually use it as a useful truck... Another reason why I don't like this whole segment.

[-] Enk1@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I use my F-150 fairly often to haul and tow. If I didn't need to tow ~5000lbs I'd have just kept my old 97 Tacoma. I was all in on getting a Lightning a few months ago, especially with $15,000 in rebates and tax credits. Then I did the math and realized going from my brother's shop to my place while towing 5000lbs means I'd have to stop and charge for 30 minutes SIX times on that trip. And sadly, it seems that's as good as it gets for EV trucks right now. I'm 100% onboard with an EV truck, especially a Lightning with the ability to use it as a generator for your home in an outage, but towing/hauling range has to improve astronomically before they're practical.

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[-] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

According to my Tesla driving neighbor most people do not charge their Tesla to 100% in order to extend the battery lifespan. I don’t understand it but apparently Tesla recommends it.

[-] farcaster@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Yeah Lithium batteries stay healthy for much longer if you keep them roughly between 20%-80% charge. Many laptops and phones now use similar management strategies to avoid wearing out the battery.

[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

That's common for lots of batteries. My laptop has a setting to not charge between 50-70% because it lives on a dock and doesn't need max life in travel. Batteries are stored between 40 and 80% usually. So it makes sense that a car with the same battery chemistry recommends the same thing. It's only different in regards to a car being important in an emergency, but realistically, an emergency is unlikely to be both sudden and require long distance driving. So 100 miles of range is probably as good as 400 in common usage.

[-] Redonkulation@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Your phone does the same thing just without communicating it. Samsung phones let you change the percentage of the battery is "100%" charged.

[-] spongebue@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

As mentioned, lithium batteries are happiest charged around 20-80%. No shame in going higher if you need it, but typical day to day I drive less than 50 miles in a day. If I'm using 20% of my battery capacity, I don't care if that means I go from 100% down to 80% or 80% down to 60%. I'll plug it in at the end of the day and charge back up to whatever I want by the next morning.

Put another way, how many times have you woken up thinking you need to stop at a gas station because you only have 3/4 of a tank?

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[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

70 is aggressive? In California ppl will be passing you on both sides at that speed.

[-] farcaster@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The word aggressive is from the article, so I don't know. Anyways driving 70mph consistently is going to deliver you less than the advertised range with EVs, which I believe is a blend of driving types not just constant highway speed. Consider while ICE cars have awful efficiency in city driving (stop/start) so highway driving is preferred, with EVs it's actually the other way around thanks to fewer mechanical losses and battery regen braking.

[-] Balex@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I read aggressive as in accelerating aggressively. Possibly to get around people?

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Didn't they just get obligated to report a lower range for many models because they were reporting unrealistic figures?

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[-] familyfriendly@lemm.ee 62 points 9 months ago

263 - 331 kilometers for the rest of the world

[-] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 9 months ago

Fun fact: the conversion factor from mi to km is ≈ ln(5).

[-] Kit 51 points 9 months ago

My Chevy Bolt gets more range at a fraction of the cost and I love it. I charge it at work for free and it has been an extremely reliable car for a couple years now.

[-] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

I mean yes but not really comparable to what's supposed to be a pick up truck. It's no different than saying your Prius is more efficient than an F150 lol

[-] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 35 points 9 months ago

Calling the cybertruck a Pickup is hularious, you cant fit jack shit in there. So it is more comparable to the bolt than a f150 IMO

[-] Kit 28 points 9 months ago

You can't even fit a bicycle in a cyber truck. You're not gonna be hauling anything.

[-] spongebue@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

F150s and the like often have a bigger tank to counteract the lower efficiency. The headline at least is about range, which is made of a combination of battery capacity and efficiency.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Yeah, but an F150 is useful. The Tesla Truck isn't.

[-] skyline385@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My electric bike gets more range than a Chevy Bolt and I love it. I charge it at work for free and it has been an extremely reliable bike for a couple years now.

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 45 points 9 months ago

i had a geo metro that had greater range.

so confusing why this exists.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 50 points 9 months ago

Could you convey that you were both rich AND stupid just by driving your metro?

[-] smokin_shinobi@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Just the one.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is a frankly baffling comparison. I don't think I could think of 2 more different vehicles if I tried. Believe it or not, range is not the only thing people consider when purchasing a vehicle.

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[-] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago
[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago

What's the advertised range?

[-] overat8@sh.itjust.works 49 points 9 months ago

On Tesla website they said about 340 miles*. Tesla cybertruck

[-] InTheEnd2021@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

And then the article says homeboy basically floored it everywhere... okay

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[-] Poiar@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago

How long is this in world units?

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Fuck yes, finally I can apply my knowledge of first 10” numbers of the fibonacci series

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[-] tourist@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

263km to 331km

about the same distance from the bed to the light switch

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

That’s about the range of the current fiat 500e to Chevy Bolt. Both of which cost half of what this does.

[-] legion02@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

This is irrelevant if you need a truck. Neither one of those is picking up plywood from home depot for example.

[-] argarath@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Neither is the cybertruck

[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Okay. The F150 Lighting has a range of 240-300 miles per charge, and an MSRP starting at $50k, compared to the cyber truck starting at $81k.

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[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

My 2008 city golf has gotten 600kms on 55L(typical fill for me is about 52 litres)

Thats all highway driving and not being an idiot.

Im lucky to get 400 kms on a tank in the middle of winter just driving to work and back. Think the worst i got is 385 kms.

I dont understand why people are so upset at not getting the listed mileage when literally every car is only as good as the driver.

Ive delivered auto parts in a 2014/2015 prius V hybrid (not plugin) doing about 1500 kms a week.

Depending entirely on how i drove i could get 735 kms to a 35 litre tank or about 490 kms. Same route. Just how you drive. Idling and acceleration are the most important factors in real world driving that effect your fuel efficiency aside from how much extra weight is being hauled around

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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

The cooled seats, passenger visibility, handling characteristics, acceleration, speed, and steer-by-wire system were also appreciated. The fact that the truck gets a lot of attention, including from people who want to touch the pickup and take photos, not so much.

So they bought the attention seeker pickup truck, but got more attention than they bargained for? lol

[-] Subverb@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Super shitty. I have an antique car and when people want to check it out and take pictures with it they sometimes ask if that's okay. I always say "if I didn't want people to look at it and enjoy it I shouldn't drive it around."

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do people know there is more than 1 cybertruck?

Also it's winter in the Northern hemisphere, which is going to dramatically impact range.

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