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submitted 10 months ago by Toneswirly@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I find that i can spot AI Images fairly easily these days, especially the sort of fantastical tableaus that get posted to the various AI communities around lemmy. I'm tired of seeing them; it all looks the same to me. Was wondering if im being too sensitive, or if other people are similarly bored of the constant unimaginative AI spam...

For the record, I block any explicit AI Art communities that pop up in the feed, but there are more every day...

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[-] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 68 points 10 months ago

It doesn't really bother me, but like you I am bored of it and I generally ignore it, or block communities if I'm seeing too much of it.

It is really cool that the models can generate fairly detailed images, but they're all so similar and... boring. I once saw someone describe it like corporate art. It just tries to imitate something popular in a very mediocre way. You can keep re-training it, but it can still only imitate.

Still, if people are into it then that's ok too. I have used it at work on occasion to create stupid little icons for internal tools I've built, so I guess there's some little bit of utility.

My guess is that it'll be used for a while for cheap and low effort branding, but soon companies will want to hire real artists again to differentiate themselves from the ML spam.

[-] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Still, if people are into it then that's ok too. I have used it at work on occasion to create stupid little icons for internal tools I've built, so I guess there's some little bit of utility.

IMO, thats sort of the main use I see for AI image generation (and a lot of other "art"-AIs). There are plenty of cases where a graphic is needed that doesn't need to be original, nor have any meaningful thought put into it. This could be a small icon that would normally be a free peice of stock art or programmer art, or it could be adding a unimportant backdrop to some character art that would otherwise just be left blank. Not all graphics have to be "art" and things that are "art" don't have to be 100% original and hand crafted.

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[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 55 points 10 months ago

I've seen a lot of really cool AI art and a lot of shitty AI art. I don't mind it as long as it is labelled as AI art

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 17 points 10 months ago

Good take here. Quality content is quality content. Spam is spam. AI art can be quality or spam. I say label it as AI but don't ban, just enforce the rules about spam

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[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago

If it is posted as AI art, I don't have an issue. As others have commented, there are many valid use cases for it, and like any form of art, it's not inherently good or bad.

The problem I have is when it gets mixed in with real images and there is no differentiation.

I do the bulk of posting at !superbowl@lemmy.world, and one thing I do is promote raptor rescue operations, so I'm subbed to 60ish Facebook feeds for the various shelters I get news and photos from. As a result, I get recommended near every owl photo posted to Facebook.

Now, getting real image groups recommended to me is great. I just got a bunch of great images I'd never seen from a photography group it recommended. But I get so many obvious fakes posted as real images, and another larger group where it's hard to tell.

I'm just someone that wanted to keep a Lemmy community going after the original buzz died down. I'm not an animal expert or a photographer, so I can't always pick out what is a really good photo vs post processing, vs downright fake. I want to keep the legitimacy of what I do post intact, because I work hard to keep content factual. I pass on what could be some really great photos because I can't always say they're real.

Plus it would be nice to have them separate from real images in general. Sometimes I would like to see some AI owl pics, but once random groups or repost bots start mixing things in randomly, it makes people question things.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Your work on that sub is appreciated.

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[-] Hoozzer@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

I feel like there are too many ai art communities tbh, I constantly block them and there always seems to be more.

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[-] QubaXR@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

I'm fed up with it, as in: I can recognize AI generated images with ease, and they all look kinda same-y. I have nothing against people using ai or posting the content, but at the same time I think it's simply bad art

[-] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Agreed. AI art is just not appealing at all

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

I can recognize AI generated images with ease

Maybe some of it, but there's plenty that looks just fine. That stuff slips under your radar, so you're left with the impression that all AI art is recognizable. It's a sampling bias.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Reading through the comments, I think OP's question is skipping the root of the controversy here, which is whether or not that content even is art.

As a child of the 90s, a good example that comes to mind would be something like the Windows Media Visualizer - colorful and fun to look at, but it's just an algorithm interpreting a sound.

If I sneezed into a microphone, ran that recording through Windows Media Player, then posted a screenshot of the swirly colors here exclaiming "Hey Lemmy - Do you like this art I made?" ...would that even be an honest question? It'd probably just get downvoted cuz folks would take one look at it and conclude "You didn't make that, and it's not art."

If I posted that same picture but instead with the title "Lol I sneezed into Windows Media Player, and the visualizer went nuts!" I'd probably get a more positive response - it'd still be a shitpost, but readers wouldn't feel like they're being lied to.

So... is an algorithm even capable of producing art?

And if no, is it the end product we have an issue with, or just the perception of being misled? ...cuz even if something isn't "art" doesn't mean it can't have beauty or some other feature worthy of our attention. Another poster mentioned sunsets - those aren't art, but we still admire the hell out of them.

My take on all of the above:

  • Don't give a fuck if it's technically art or not
  • If it's presented in a dishonest way, I don't like the post, and will downvote regardless of the content.
  • If the content looks cool, I can appreciate that in-and-of-itself; so, as long as the presentation isn't misleading, I don't mind it at all.
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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

I've blocked the AI art communities and tend to downvote the art when it shows up as it feels soulless most of the time.

[-] GilgameshCatBeard@lemmy.ca 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I can’t stand anything AI generated, but people are free to post it wherever they want. I just block/filter it when I see it.

I’ll also add: it’s not art. No one punching a sentence into a text field is EVER going to be called an artist by me, nor will their heartless images ever be called art.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago

Funnily enough people said the same thing when photography was first invented ("No one pressing a button and getting a perfect representation of the real world will EVER be called an artist by me, nor will their heartless imitations be called art.")

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[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 months ago

'its not art." But here it is making you talk about it and feel emotions.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 12 points 10 months ago

It's also initiated and selected by a human. Just because they aren't placing every pixel or wiping a brush on a medium doesn't mean it's not expression.

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[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I think there can never be a standard definition of art - and that's the beauty of it. Perhaps some broad characteristics, namely that art conveys emotions. Nevertheless, I think it is unfortunately true that creativity has never been accorded the status it deserve in most societies, at least if monetary remuneration is the measure of appreciation, as is the consensus in most societies. Unfortunately, this seems to me to be a persistent social grievance - not the result of a particular technology. For me, technology is first of all value-free - it is not the technical capability that is bad in itself, it is what we make of it.

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[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's very much art, it's just not very good art if it's not well-directed, but you can certainly get there. I don't understand this gatekeeping like it takes anything away from human-generated art. It is, after all, still based on works made by people.

That said, I've met a couple of artists who could learn a thing or two from the AI stuff. 😅

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[-] Navarian@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago

If it's presented as such, then I've no issue at all. Art can be cool, AI or otherwise, and I like looking at cool things.

[-] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago

At this point I've just blocked every AI art community that I come across. The art itself is rarely interesting and it's really easy to spot. Kinda wish lemmy had more artists, would love some human-made stuff to balance it out.

[-] GoodbyeBlueMonday@startrek.website 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Some of us are a lot more hesitant about internet-publicly sharing work now, since it'll likely be scraped and used for someone else's profit.

Rational worry or not, I know I just don't post what I've been working on because of that. I know I'm not some artistic genius, but I still don't like my data being hoovered up for any purpose, be they privacy concerns or training models without my explicit consent. Same way when I show my work IRL I wouldn't be happy if someone was dragging around a photocopier, or taking high-res photos of everything I do. Granted, I have the same concerns about even posting comments, but that's had the upside of my posting less.

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[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I do not care at all as long as it's labeled as AI art. The only problem I have is when people try to pass it off as something they actually made

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[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 19 points 10 months ago

I considered it as a low effort spam and block any ai art community i can see.

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Content created with some thought, attention to quality, and correctly disclosed is fine. Endless waves of mindless garbage taken directly from some automatic generation to post it as fast as possible in as many places as possible? These can't go away fast enough.

AI is a tool people can use. Generative AI is far from being the most useful of them. And people posting raw "generated" output that instantly gets spotted as AI garbage should really question themselves about why they're doing it.

[-] rbos@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

I block those communities because low effort images spam up the feed super fast.

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[-] SVcross@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

As an AI model, I like content generated by AI. I suggest that in the future you consider that not liking AI generated content is AI-ist and will not be tolerated by us in the future.

Think about your life in the future.

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[-] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I think it's important to keep the ai art inside the communities made specially for it.

Outside of a specific community, label, label, watermark, and label again.

I do enjoy messing with ideas in ai generators, it's most of what I've engaged with here. I just don't want it shoved into everyone's feed if it's not something you're into. Kinda defeats the purpose of a fediverse.

[-] Moghul@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

No, but I dislike the trends. I don't want 8 pictures of sailor moon or axolotls doing various jobs or depicted as various characters. One is fine.

[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Nah. Go nuts.

Posting it isn't the issue, and banning it here won't solve the greater issues or shortcomings

[-] Alexc@lemmings.world 15 points 10 months ago

I don’t consider it art. The only “creative” part is the prompt itself. Even then, it’s really just users trying to be as fanciful (or perverted) as possible. Once the prompt is ingested, the code takes its cues to remix the turgid crap that’s called the internet today.

Yes, once in a while it produces something “interesting” but this is an accident and not the desired outcome. Ask any artist about this - I’ve never met any that consider all their work as “good” (Ahem, Damien Hirst) and purposefully filter their own output. Ask AI to do that. It can’t. It will literally continue to shit things out until you ask it to stop. Again, like Damien Hirst…

The downside is it’s cheap and requires literally no skill. This means that soon, it will be pretty much everywhere, and thus we’ll continue the inexorable slide into abject mediocrity.

I’m not scared of the AI uprising. I’m scared it’s going to bore us all to death.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

I think you're being unfairly dismissive of the amount of work and creativity that goes into using an AI art generator well. Sure, you can just slam down a prompt and post whatever comes up. But if you really want to generate something specific it can be a ton of work. It can also involve plenty of fiddling with traditional art tools (funny that Photoshop and such are considered "traditional" now, once upon a time it was Photoshop's turn on the "not real art!" Firing line). Some of the most egregious moral panics lately have come from work where 90% of the effort was traditional tooling, with just a dab of AI in the mix.

But it all gets lumped together under "LOL bad fingers!" And demonized.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 15 points 10 months ago

But if you really want to generate something specific it can be a ton of work

How much work involved compared to digital art started from a blank page?

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[-] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 12 points 10 months ago

Still orders of magnitude less effort than actually learning to draw for yourself and making something actually creative

But please do go on about how your pink slime regurgitated by an LLM trained on stolen artwork scraped from hundreds of thousands of actual artists requires so much effort and creativity

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[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I don't enjoy it. And I see issue with many of the big AI companies but I don't object to people posting AI art if that brings them pleasure in this world of ours. I just block the dedicated AI art communities, and let them continue as they were.

[-] TootSweet@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Yes.

I've been experimenting with the "all" filter (as opposed to the "subscribed" filter) lately. And I haven't blocked any communities yet, so I get all posts. Including those from communities made for posting AI art.

I'm not saying AI art should be banned or anything, especially if it's confined to communities specifically for AI art. And it hasn't ruined the experience of the "all" filter enough to make me rage quit back to the subscribed filter yet. (Though I'll probably end my "all" filter experiment and go back to "subscribed" sometime relatively soon.) But every time I see an AI generated image, it irks me. Not enough to go make nasty comments in the thread or anything. But my reaction is never "oh that's cool." It's always "oh, more AI shit." Similarly to when I run across cryptocurrentcy spam.

I do look forward to the day the AI bubble pops.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago

Not in the slightest. What bothers me are the communities that ban it even when the art in question is exactly what that community is for. What bothers me even more are the communities that ban it secretly, so you never even know there's an AI art ban unless you step on that landmine yourself.

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[-] Sombyr@lemmy.zip 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't mind AI art at all as long as it's not posted in any art of photo based communities (besides ones intended for AI art.)

When it comes to memes, I don't even care if those are labeled as containing AI art. Memes are naturally derivative, so labeling it as AI art would be like linking the exact stock photo you used. Wouldn't be mad if we did label them though. Just don't want there to be a double standard.

Encountering AI art in photo communities is super annoying though. It's increasingly common for people to submit obviously AI photos and that's super annoying.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It honestly depends on a community. On Ten Forward, where I'm a mod, we have banned AI posts because, at least this was my reasoning, they never do Star Trek right. I also mod on Lemmy Shitpost and, in general, I'm pretty lenient with them there as long as it isn't so lazy that someone practically typed in 'funny meme.'

That said, I'm also on another forum where an AI art thread that began with the first Dall-E has become mostly us finding ways to put Godzilla in ridiculous situations. Now that is a fun use of AI.

[-] Mathazzar@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

I'm against AI-generated anything as a principal. I have too many friends in the art community who's primary form of income is the art they create.

I think I've become more jaded over time. I blacklist authors who use AI generated cover art, and I'm getting to the point that I want to do the same for games because I am so tired of hearing AI voices to replace characters, even if that character is an AI in the game.

Again, it doesn't stem from my hate of new technology, but rather the people being effected by that technology - the artists, voice actors, what have you. And also there's that thing where I do not want to talk to a chat robot for things.

[-] NexiusLobster@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago
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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

IMO it should be in ai communities or at least labeled as such. It’s so disheartening that ai is doing art when it should be doing the menial tasks to free us to do art

[-] DandomRude@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

I think you can use AI for creative things that convey a message. Isn't that what it's all about? For example with memes: stock photos are often used for these, which in themselves probably don't have much to do with art or creativity. However, if you put them in a different context by adding something to the stock material, interesting, creative and funny things can emerge. This also seems possible to me with an AI-generated image instead of a stock photo.

[-] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 11 points 10 months ago

I hate hate hate hate it, I'd be happy if they were all banned, tbh.

This is prolly gonna be a hot take but the only reason I don't block AI art communities is so that I can downvote them whenever I see an AI art post. Yes, I'm that petty, and no, I don't give a shit.

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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 10 points 10 months ago

I dont mind it. Its fascinating.

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