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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by MacNCheezus@lemmy.today to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world

EDIT: since apparently a bunch of people woke up with the wrong foot this morning or forgot to check the group they’re in:

This is a joke. Do not steal or vandalize speed enforcement cameras (or anything else for that matter). That’s against the law and you will likely get arrested.

If you’re addicted to crack or any other drugs, please seek professional help.

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[-] random_character_a@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

In Finland we steal dynamite from construction sites and do some sudden nightly dismantling. No crackheads needed.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It does amaze me how many people I've met who have a vicious hatred towards speed cameras. Especially interesting e: in a country where people have so much respect for the police.

[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago

We don't like the idea a private company is enforcing laws not for safety but for profit. Especially when things like shortening of yellow light time and cameras that don't properly report speed. It's horseshit.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago
[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago

Yeah. Even in the US many municipalities outsource almost the entire ticketing process to the company selling the cameras, and the company collects a (usually outsized) percentage of the fees. So the company has the incentive to use whatever shady tactics to increase ticketing infraction events. This could be by changing the camera angle slightly to falsely get plates from yellow throughers or sometimes they change light timing itself to increase ticketing events..

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I was talking about Finns in Finland complaining about speed cameras.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

I would just assumed because they are using the same Swedish company (Sensys Gatso) that does profit sharing agreements with municipalities in the US, that the agreement is the same.

I can't seem to find the finnish contract award details, so I can't confirm that they are. I am thinking now, that their might be a chance that they aren't, given how extreme finnish traffic violation costs can be (% of salary).

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[-] teamevil@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

It's not the local government putting them up, it's a private company who is in charge and keeps at least half the revenue. Plus when their location is known and they get less effective the same company will try other things like altering yellow light time length to keep profits up.

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[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 10 points 1 year ago

What about vodka, is that needed?

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[-] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gotta enforce speed limits.

And these things don't shoot you if you look at them wrong – or are black.

Edit: "No, you can't just stick a camera worth a couple of thousand [local currency] next to the road, that takes photographic evidence of infractions. You gotta rip out the entire surface, redesign the sides and introduce a few sharp curves by demolishing a few blocks of buildings here and there. In the mean time speed is only enforced by violent cops who feel like you were speeding.

It's the only logical way."

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago

And they fucking work!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/annoying-thing-speed-cameras-ottawa-they-work-1.6786951

https://driving.ca/column/lorraine/speed-cameras-work

I can't believe that people don't want to see them installed in every school zones at least, if there's one place where you don't want people speeding it's there!

"It's a road design issue!" Yeah? What's cheaper and can be done quicker, changing the road design or installing speed cameras?

[-] krellor@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Where I live they are mostly used in school zones and residential areas, and they only trigger when going 12+ miles over the limit. Seems pretty reasonable.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

12 mph over in a school zone is proportionally a fucking lot!

Yeah people not respecting speed zones around schools is a real problem. I can't believe how people drive, and I've always got some Dodge Ram or Ford F150 riding my ass because I'm driving the proper speed.

Even if there was no posted speed limit, there are children everywhere and children are unpredictable.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They also can't testify in court, depriving accused speeders of their constitutional right to due process.

But back to your first claim: "gotta enforce speed limits:" No, we do not. Speeding is a symptom of a street that was designed wrong to begin with. The correct solution is to fix the design, not install a speed camera as some sort of big brother band-aid.

Edit: why do y'all apparently hate the idea of improving street design? As a former traffic engineer, I'm telling you that that's the only way to truly fix the problem of speeding. I don't get why that's controversial.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago

Sorry, but that is a gross misinterpretation. Drivers are not victims of an intrinsic speed devil that they cannot escape. They still choose to violate the speed limit in most cases.

What was done in these countries is to acknowledge, that physical design is more effective as enforcement, than the cop with a speed-meter.

Still the explicit intent is to enforce speed-limits, knowing that people would violate them if they could, but they can't because they would wreck their car. Still those people choose to violate and are responsible for their actions.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Sorry but it's a black and white thing in this case, r either you're under the speed limit and not breaking the law or you're over the speed limit and breaking the law.

Also, tons of people object to speed camera tickets and win, the only difference is that there's no officer there when the event happened to tell them "Say that to the judge if you're not happy.", the end result is the same.

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[-] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

What's the copper to crack exchange rate currently?

[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 28 points 1 year ago

5.5lbs of copper is apparently about 20$ worth

[-] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

This one is in a school zone. People really shouldn't be speeding through them unless they're a "fuck them kids" kinda person, and if you are you're a piece of shit.

[-] milkytoast@kbin.social 80 points 1 year ago
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[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even better solution though: (re-) build the street at a school zone so that no driver more sane than the most insane Florida Man would not fathom driving any faster than 20 km/h, no speed cameras required.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

Don't know how there would be that much copper in there.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 47 points 1 year ago

Perhaps you're not the intended target audience, then.

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[-] sus@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago

are you sure? There's only 1 way to find out

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[-] Kalkaline@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That doesn't sound quite right, but I'm sure there's some platinum in there to make up for anything short of 5 lbs.

[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Guys, guys. Hear me out. What if (tokes) yeah...what if like if we like yeah. Oh? Sorry. What if we train pigeons to shit on traffic camera lens. It could be done. The military had trained pigeons to guide bombs against warships. Let's train and breed pigeons to do this and release them in the wild.

[-] penguinsAreRapists@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Birds aren't real

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[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 23 points 1 year ago

Some of them used to contain bog standard DSLRs, so they were worth stealing.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Using vehicle velocity as risk assessment method is fucking dumb. Might as well put that copper to better use.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago

No it's not. Speed is a very significant element of road safety. At lower speeds, you can stop in a much shorter distance, and if you hit someone their chance of death or serious injury goes way down. Braking distance is proportional to the square of velocity, and reaction distance is directly proportional. If hit at 50 km/h, a pedestrian has a 90% chance of death. At 30 km/h, they have a 90% chance of survival.

At lower speeds, you're also far more likely to notice something that might require you to stop or slow. Your cone of vision at 60 km/h is 40°. At 80 it's 30°, and at 100 km/h it's 20°. A different source I found says under 50 km/h it's 104° and at 65 it's 70°. Whatever the specifics, lower speeds are much safer.

This isn't to say that speed cameras are the best or should be the only method used to ensure road safety. Narrowing roads, adding furniture by the roadside, and increasing the complexity of the route, are all good ways to reinforce a lower speed limit by reducing how safe drivers feel driving at high speed. But speed cameras are a useful supplement to that, for those drivers determined to be irresponsible.

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[-] jerrimu@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

OP sais this " ... steal or vandalize speed enforcement cameras ..."

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[-] obinice@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

So, I'm assuming then that people here think speed limits are bad, and drivers should be able to drive as fast as they like?

Otherwise, we wouldn't be supporting vandalising equipment designed to reduce speeding, right?

Just so we're on the same page is all. Safety bad, going fast good. Right?

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[-] 768@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Roughly 2.5 kg.

8.17$ per kg equals 20.43$.

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[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Normally I'd be on board with this, but the picture is literally in front of an elementary school! If there's any place that I'm ok having speed cameras, it's in a school zone.

But yeah, if it's a speed camera on a major highway raking in cash for everyone going 10 over? Fuuuuuuuck that.

[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

let the intrusive thoughts win

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