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[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 98 points 10 months ago

What a garbage article. Elon sucks, the cyber truck sucks, but an article about tweets is less than worthless. Perhaps the article instead of assuming elon just "didn't have time to run tesla properly", should dig a bit deeper and demonstrate that tesla was successful despite elon, not because of elon. Same with Space-X or Star-link.

Now as far as why the cyber truck is getting stuck in snow, tires is the low-effort answer, but maybe look at the weight of the truck versus the contact area. Maybe look at how the traction control system works? How about whether the car is front wheel bias vs rear-wheel biased. Does it make assumptions about which wheels have contact to the ground? Does it have a differential or are all 4 wheels independently controlled? (I don't know the answer to any of these by the way, but if I were concerned about a vehicle getting stuck in the snow, I'd certainly want an analysis that addresses all of the above.)

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Welcome to modern “journalism”, throwing together a few sentences based on twitter and reddit posts, without any research or asking experts.

[-] drivepiler@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

"Another user said...."

It's so ridiculously low quality journalism it's embarrassing

[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

I see Jersey schmucks up here with their pavement princess trucks getting stuck in the snow all the time. I see locals in a Corolla or fiesta or other tiny light car make it just fine in deep snow. One of my bosses at the ski mountain used to drive a mini Cooper an hour to work every day.

This is a skill issue.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Also snow tires make a huge difference in the snow

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[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

skill? sometimes. the fact that those corollas and mini coopers only weigh a fraction of those huge trucks probably has something to do with it, too...

[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Weight and weight distribution are both important, but a pickup will usually perform better in snow with more weight, like 500 lbs of sand in the bed usually does the trick.

How you apply power to the road surface is also very important. Not enough weight and you will just spin tires. Break too aggressively and you lock up. Pedal to the floor and your tires are spinning. Overcorrect your turns when you start to slide and you'll never get back straight.

My car is a little older and actually drives better in snow with the traction control off.

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago

Nah it's more of a weight distribution issue. Pickup trucks in general are terrible at this. Engine, cab, transmission, basically everything is over the front axle but they are rear wheel drive.

Cybertruck doesn't have this problem.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Growing up my mom lived on one of the biggest hills in a town that was basically all hills. She remembers when it snowed they'd watch all kinds of cars and trucks get stuck trying to make it up that hill, and then watch a guy in a little VW beetle go right up the hill like it was nothing, perfectly happy will of that engine weight right over the rear drive wheels.

Years later I'm a new driver borrowing my parents's cars, a '93 RWD ranger, and a '92 Buick century, and that comparison did a good job of driving home how much difference that weight distribution matters. The ranger had some pretty good grippy tires, but without any weight in the bed, it didn't take much to make those wheels spin. The buick, on the other hand, handled snow beautifully, it had all the weight of that big boat-like front end over those front drive wheels, never once struggled to find traction, the only limiting factor was that it sat pretty low to the ground so it didn't take too much snow before that front end was just trying it's damnedest to plow through snow. If some mad scientist ever thought to lift an old Buick a few inches, I'm pretty confident that 4wd/AWD would become all but obsolete.

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[-] Auzy@beehaw.org 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Egh, looks like the facebook crowd has come to Lemmy.

Wrong tires.. It's that simple..

I hate Elon as much as the rest of us, but this reads like it's written by the Anti-EV crowd. All it needs is an ad for a Dodge RAM at the bottom.. And, I don't particularly find the cybertruck (or any large truck), appealing at all tbh

I can put the wrong tires on my jeep too, and skid off the road when its wet.. Not everywhere needs snow tyres (here in Australia, they would be useless), and I'd be guessing they're less efficient too?

Also, I'm not really sure how it works with deep snow (since I'm here in Australia), but wouldn't snowchains help as an alternative? Or can you not use them on EV's?.. Or do they not work with deep snow?

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Chains are only useful if there’s snow compacted onto the road (like in a lot of mountainous areas). Winter tires are useful because they stay softer in cold weather, while summer tires get hard as a rock below a certain temp, turning your car (or cybertruck in this case) into a sled. There are also studded snow tires, but they’re useless or even dangerous on roads with no snow.

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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not anti-EV crowd, just anti-Elon. I hate him as much as anyone else but people just throw absolutely any rationale out the window when it comes to anything he's involved with (especially around here).

I've seen several leftists at this point straight up turn their backs on EVs and literally start parroting conservative propaganda about them. So sad.

[-] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

If you are leftist you should be anti-ev. All EVs do is propagate car-centric social development which is a cancer to any potentially better world.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 13 points 10 months ago

If you want to be anti-car, that's an entirely different discussion from anti-EV.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Tires may be part of the equation, but ground clearance is typically more important to avoiding getting stuck in the snow.

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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 26 points 10 months ago

I’d feel like such an asshole driving one of these things. If someone gave me one for free, I wouldn’t even want to park it in front of my house.

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[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

How is this thing still real?

[-] realitista@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

They set out to make the truck version of the Delorean and succeeded.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 5 points 10 months ago

How do we know it is? I suspect all photos of the thing are AI-generated deepfakes. 😜

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[-] Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 10 months ago

Probably bad tires to be honest. Bad tires for a hideous truck: a loosing recipe.

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

Too bad the tires are tied to the wheel and can't just be exchanged

[-] weew@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

they aren't tied to the wheel, just the hubcaps. If you want to run it without the hubcaps, you can put whatever tire you want on it.

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[-] arin@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

All season tires in snow = a terrible time

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 7 points 10 months ago

All seasons with a tiny sidewall = bad news pretty much anywhere but pavement.

Although I do think Tesla needs to work on their traction control system to better mimic having locked differentials after seeing the hill climb video from a few weeks ago. This should be able to be performed via an OTA update though.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

Mighty? It was a joke from the start. The only reason for buying it is a novelty for collectors. I don't think it was ever meant to be driven.

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

Truck built for truck things fails at truck things

[-] BiggestBulb@kbin.run 8 points 10 months ago

I remember MKBHD made a comment about the snow possibly being an issue opening the doors as well. Hoping these things were actually tested in super cold conditions

[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago
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[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 7 points 10 months ago

Snow is 90% about tires. Proper snow tires make a dramatic difference. I'm sure any other truck would get stuck in the same place. They have MUCH poorer weight distribution.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 7 points 10 months ago

Shitty truck performs shittily.

Fixed their headline.

[-] anachronist@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago

Who would have guessed that an offroad vehicle designed in socal only works on bare, dry, triassic limestone.

[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Maybe if it didn't weigh 3 tons...

[-] carbrewr84@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

Weight is actually a good thing in the snow. Too light of a vehicle and it's hard to get any traction without something like tracks.

The struggling in the snow is most likely an issue of tires. If someone put some all terrain or ideally snow tires, I'm sure it'd do significantly better.

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[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Holy shit that thing is ugly..

[-] HowMany@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Remember how well the Delorian didn't do? Mush has one that's going to do 1,000 times worse. Way to go boy genius.

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[-] noride@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Several comments about tires being the issue. I've driven through worse with a simple set of all-seasons - is there something special about EV tires that make them perform so poorly in these conditions?

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Low rolling resistance tires tend to be not very great in snow. They get that low rolling resistance partly by not having a very sticky compound, and partly by not having a very aggressive tread pattern (among other things, I'm sure). Both of those factors are going to have an impact on traction on anything but dry pavement.

It might also be due to other design choices. I've got a 2015 Ford Fusion PHEV, and I had a 2013 Fusion Hybrid before that; they suck so bad in the snow with normal all-season tires that I have to keep a finger on the electric parking brake switch to make sure I can stop if there's any snow on the ground.

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[-] MarioBarisa@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

There is not a single good thing about the Cybertruck.

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