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submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

Just because Republicans choose unreality doesn’t mean the media should ignore the facts of January 6.

On January 6, 2021, I watched CNN as thousands of Donald Trump supporters stormed the US Capitol. As someone well-versed in watching tragedy on television, I was struck by just how indisputable the facts were at the time: violent, red-hat-clad MAGA rioters, followed by Republicans in Congress, tried to stop democracy in its tracks. Trump had told his followers that the protest in Washington, DC, “will be wild,” and in the assault that followed his speech, some rioters smeared feces on the walls of the Capitol. Hundreds of them have since been convicted on charges ranging from assault on federal officers to seditious conspiracy. These are stubborn facts, the kind that do not care about your feelings. These facts include the inalienable truth that Trump is the first president in American history to reject the peaceful transfer of power.

It never occurred to me that these facts could somehow be perverted by partisanship. But three years later, we are seeing just that, as Republicans cling to the lie that the 2020 election was “stolen” by Joe Biden and are poised to make Trump their 2024 nominee. And perhaps even more dangerous than the GOP ditching reality is the news media’s inability to cover Trumpism as the threat to democracy that it very much is.

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But the problem is, when all you have is conventional political framing, everything looks like politics as usual. One candidate makes a claim; the other disputes it. Two sides are divided, etc. This framing only works if both parties operate within the frameworks of a shared reality. But Trumpism doesn’t allow for the reality the rest of us inhabit. Trump’s supporters believe their leader’s reality and not, say, the reality the rest of us see with our eyes. As Trump once told a crowd: “Don’t believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening.”

Journalists may be well-intentioned in trying to be “objective,” or they’re simply afraid of being labeled partisan. Either way, coverage of January 6 that gives equal weight to both sides—one based in reality, one not—is helping pave the road for authoritarianism.

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[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 104 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Try telling this to the “gEnOciDE jOe” clowns, because they are the ones that need to understand this- not the trumpers. Trumpers are too far gone. They won’t listen to reason.

But these ‘single issue’ kids that are grassrooting the ideology that not voting is better than a vote for “genocide” are going to fuck around and find out the hard way when they get Trump installed as a permanent fixture in the White House.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 62 points 11 months ago

Ok, let me preface this by OF COURSE Biden is by far the lesser evil compared to Trump, OF COURSE single issue voting is some Republican style bullshit and OF COURSE Trump would be even more supportive of a fascist government committing genocide, being a fascist war crime fanboy himself.

That being said, people who are outraged by Biden's continued support of and thus enabling of genocide DO have a point. He's supposed to represent the interests of every American who's not a fascist, not those of a fascist apartheid regime currently committing the worst genocide since the Balkan wars in the 90s.

Just because the other guy is a much greater evil doesn't mean that you can't hold your own guy accountable for supporting evil. With Trump the only alternative, voting for him is a given, but giving him a free pass shouldn't be.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago

Uh, what we are talking about is people who are already saying they won't vote for Biden. I run into this a lot. It's terrifying to know a significant part of the electorate are so myopic they would install Trump forever to "make a point".

It truly doesn't matter if they have a point, if the only end result is not voting or throwing their vote away on a third party. If Trump wins, they will be a big part of how.

[-] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

"voting is the only way to create change" is the mentality that got us here.

You know why George Floyd's murderer was the only one who got the sentence he deserved? Because the people demanded it by threatening capital.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

So what are you suggesting?

[-] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That people need to start by stopping this "only voting matters" narrative that so many push. I know people try to counter that by saying that people are overworked and don't have time for protests or any other direct action, but the Labor Movement was done by people working 70ish hour weeks.

More people need to be willing to protest. Until they are, things aren't going to meaningfully get better.

Right now, the message I get from a lot of these conversations here is that the President is allowed to have a little genocide as a treat because otherwise there could be more genocide. It's completely insane.

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[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As long as we are drawing the line in the sand as "reality" the truth is much more stark. We already live in a nation controlled by oligarchs and the vote has already been robbed of what little power it ever had. In a sense accelerationism isn't so much accelerating the decline of US democracy but accelerating its suspended funeral.

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[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

Criticizing Biden's handling of the war is not just allowed, but encouraged. His handling of it is dog shit.

What's naive and stupid to do is refuse to vote for him because of it, when the threat is a person who bragged about becoming a dictator and retaliating against anyone he dislikes.

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[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

All well and good, but these idiot kids are actually refusing to vote for him over this single issue. I agree that It’s fine to be bothered how he’s handling things- even if they’re a bit misunderstood on how things actually work- I mean, sure…it’s bothering.

But this is the biggest “I’m cutting off my nose to spite my face” America will EVER see.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Single issue lmao. "Yeah Hitler did genocide but that's just a single issue"

OK dude.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

If we want to win, we need to appeal to people who disagree with your support for genocide, no matter how much you hate them.

[-] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nobody hates you, we're just sick of idealists in a time when we need pragmatists.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Those pesky idealists... being opposed to checks notes literal fucking genocide.

I'm voting for Biden and you don't care. You just want unquestioning support for the genocide you support.

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[-] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago
[-] SaltySalamander@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

Do you think any person elected to the presidency wouldn't continue supporting Israel? To cut off funding and weapons to Israel would be absolute political suicide in this country. Don't care if it's Biden, Trump, Desantis, doesn't matter. Israel will continue to get $Billions and weapons. It's just the way it is.

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[-] Soulg@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

So your solution is to make it easier for Trump to win? You know that would make things even worse?

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

The only thing that is making it easier for Trump to win is Biden's unwavering support for the genocide centrists have evidently always wanted.

[-] badaboomxx@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Do you realize that the war won't stop with the orangeoutan right?

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[-] TheAlbacor@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Right, how could someone not want to vote for someone because they support genocide? How ludicrous.

I'll still vote for Biden because I'll already be in the booth, but sitting back and acting like this is our only option is nonsense.

Voting alone does not create change. Labor Movement, Women's Suffrage, Civil Rights, all were accomplished by active resistance and here you are spouting nonsense about how we should all just participate in the system that's circling the drain instead of disrupting it.

The longer you all take to come around the worse it will get, no matter which major party is in the Oval Office.

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

The people who can find a way to excuse, minimize or ignore Biden's military and political support for genocide could probably find a way to excuse, minimize or ignore just about anything. There is no bottom, only partisanship and convenience.

[-] asret@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sure, but if you're planning on sticking around in America, or care about its influence worldwide, shouldn't you at least try to steer it towards the least worst option?

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ok, let me preface this by OF COURSE Biden is by far the lesser evil compared to Trump, OF COURSE single issue voting is some Republican style bullshit and OF COURSE Trump would be even more supportive of a fascist government committing genocide, being a fascist war crime fanboy himself.

If you hadn't prefixed your comment with this, centrists who can't defend their enthusiastic support for genocide for its own sake would be calling you a trumpist.

[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 12 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I know from vast experience 😮‍💨

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

You'll notice that you have to disclaim for a whole paragraph about how Biden is better than Trump, which of course he is, but no centrist has to similarly disclaim that they even dislike genocide at all.

Because none of them do.

[-] Soulg@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Nothing about understanding the danger Trump poses makes you a "centrist" or "enthusiastic support" for genocide. Please grow up.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Nothing about questioning Biden's support for genocide means I want Trump to win. But you'll ignore that I'm voting for Biden as long as you never have to examine your love for genocide for its own sake.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Yep. If donnie gets back in there, do these purity ponies think unquestioning support of Israel will stop?

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago

I would rather not vote than vote for someone whose first response to a genocide is rushing as many American military assets and weapons as possible to enable it.

You do realize that not everyone in your country has fully assimilated to your extremely chauvinist worldview right?

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[-] GoodbyeBlueMonday@startrek.website 66 points 11 months ago

Hunter S. Thompson reflected on the problems with Objective Journalism throughout his career: summarized well in a section of his obituary for Nixon.

Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism — which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Oh God.. even back then it was called out jfc we're doomed

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[-] 4grams@awful.systems 53 points 11 months ago

Why sober, thoughtful conversation like this is not happening is beyond insane to me. Like I just do not know how to deal with a reality that treats this as normal.

Well said, I agree with every word.

[-] anarchyreloaded@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

The downfall of American democracy, like all democracies is lack of protection for its principles. If democracy becomes so radical about the principle of freedom of expression that there is no utterance that isn''t worthy debating, no matter how debased it is while at the same time anything and everything is up for debate and nothing enshrined in principle democracy becomes its own worst enemy. Freedom of expression becomes the tool with which it destroys itself.

The crux however lies in the fact that if institutions exist that protect democracy from itself, like the Austrian "Verfassungsschutz" , that watch the radical ends of the political spectrum and hamper their political efforts, sometimes trying and convicting individuals as members of a criminal organisation they could easily be accused as stifling democracy.

Ultimately the democratic principle rests upon its subjects willingness to practise it and to participate in it. If enough people are unhappy or uneducated enough to believe in the statements of demagogues and radicals its downfall cannot be stopped by institutionalized violence, political will, or anything else. Democracy cannot defend itself against its own worst enemy: People that for some reason or other have given up on that idea. Democracy therefore will always come with its own 5th column.

What makes a working democracy is that everyone is actively participating in the dicourse and does what they can to stop the 5th column from rising to the top. A working democracy depends on a working educational system that produces strong critical minds. It relies on making sure everyone gets their share and that each and every subject has a stake in a system. Then the 5th Column is small enough to not really damage democracy and there is no instituion necessary to protect it.

These days however the world is far beyond that tipping point. There are enough people unhappy enough with democracy that collective supression no longer works. And its troublesome to watch. I am terrified that someone like Donald Trump could even get to the point where he is the presidential candidate for a major party, let alone serve a term as president of the United States.

Usually these sentiments are met with endless barrages of whataboutism... Literally no one, no matter what they have done with their emails or how many lobal conflicts they started in their term could be a worse president then someone whose aim is to just aimlessly wield power like a European monarch whose mind is impaired by the hereditary conditions that come with generations of incest.

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Modern European Monarchs are all significantly better than Trump.

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[-] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

To demonstrate the inability of conventional media to cover an extremist like Trump, this article points out that the New York Times once ran an article titled “Hitler Tamed By Prison”. The article, published in 1924, starts off with a disturbing parallel to recent events:

Adolph Hitler, once the demi-god of the reactionary extremists, was released on parole from imprisonment at Fortress Landsberg, Bavaria, today and immediately left in an auto for Munich.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Look no further than the New York Times falsifying an entire article about Hamas raping women to manufacture consent for israel's Genocide.

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[-] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 26 points 11 months ago

Damn right! It's about time a publication in (the outskirts of) the main stream points this out!

The establishment media and the Dem politicians insisting on pretending that the GOP is a legitimate party of regular conservatives rather than a fascist movement is how it was allowed to get this far in the first place!

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's not a both sides thing. In my opinion, everyone needs to stop thinking this is a knowledge or coverage problem. It's not a media influence problem.

It's a fuck you problem. And the worse they are, the more appalling their actions, the bigger the fuck you. You can't argue your way out of this.

People need to deal with the fact that roughly half of all voters in this country don't give a fuck about you, and every time you get upset about a new rule broken, a new law violated, or a new constitutional principle ignored, the fun is in the fact that you get upset about it.

That's the fun. You're mad. They like to make you mad. Because this isn't about political discourse.

They're way more mad, they're way more organized, they're way more revolutionary, and they are way more armed. You can be as smart and knowledgeable as you want. They will put you up against a very smart and knowledgeable wall and put a very smart and knowledgeable bullet into your very smart and knowledgeable head.

You ever wonder how, during revolutions of the past, the people that were overthrown always seemed to have been surprised? This is how. Arrogance and a belief in a system that the others aren't playing by or within. Revolution exceeds the system. Leftists think they have a monopoly on revolution, but they don't.

You don't have to agree with it. Your agreement or disagreement Does. Not. Matter. It's watching worms on a hook trying to explain how soil works. Who cares?

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This misses the point completely, claiming they believe their own reality is ignoring just how deliberately dysfunctional all our reality is, and has been for centuries. Them being manipulated in to blaming minorities for it is the exact same distraction as liberals being manipulated in to blaming republican voters for it (Do they suck? Yes. Do they help uphold the system? Absolutely. Are they responsible for it? No, they are crabs in a bucket, just like the rest of us, they're just happy to step on more people). To be clear - I am not comparing minorities to republican voters, I'm comparing the level and effectiveness of these distractions from those who are actually responsible for the shit we're in, and who will do anything and everything to make sure we don't turn on them, but only ever on each other - the people they've made sure are constantly stressed trying to survive, who are poorly educated (and this isn't about the quality of the school or the years spent in it, it's about the whitewashed version of history and lack of critical thinking skills we're all taught among other things), exposed to constant propaganda and systemic division. The fact that so many people fall for the hateful bigotry this promotes against their own best interests just goes to show how well the system works for those it actually serves.

And that isn't even Trump, he isn't even in the same league as those actually pulling the strings, and who will stop at nothing to safeguard their power and money (including letting a destructive mask-off clown run amuck for a few years, you now, as a treat, and to manufacture consent for the much worse shit that's yet to come).

If you really want to stop fascism you have to understand what it is (capitalism in decay) and that the both sides they let you choose from serve the same master and only ever represent their side. The actual sides in "both sides" are working class vs owning class, oppressed vs oppressors, the system vs those it exploits to exist.

Don't play along with their game, free yourself from the binary they've made you believe is free choice, and fight the system, the sham they call "democracy" included.

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

You're the person the article is written about. The headline is about you. Even in this thread, you make the time to espouse this essay of yours. Do you seriously not see what you're doing? This isn't the time for this conversation. The grown ups are trying to keep the ship afloat and sail another day, hopefully with the wherewithal to course correct. Stop espousing both sides are the same. On a thread about an article about how dangerous that is. The cognitive fucking dissonance man...

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[-] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

But facism gets such great short turn proffits before we blow ourselves and the rest of nature to shit. /s

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Calling out the false "both sides" thing (h/t to The Professional Left, by the way!) is something that should be common currency in the "liberal media".

Thanks to the silliness of false "objectivity" and, let's be honest, corporatism, it is hardly ever discussed. But thank goodness Vanity Fair did here...however, they still called these treasonous insurrectionists (really: terrorists) "rioters", FFS.

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